KC v. DC Post-Game Yet another lead pissed away.... No Igor, no Wolff.... No Diego... What did Fabbro do to get put that far down on Gansler's s-list? And did we really even give a ************ about winning this game at all? We looked like my girl's team did..
Defense looks a lot more organized. One of the worst penalty calls ive ever seen. I was also surprised not seeing Simutenkov play.
Re: KC v. DC Post-Game Please explain to me how it was "pissed away"? The score was 1-1 and DC's goal came from a bogus call...so please, explain why your so pessimistic. My thoughts on Zontica- two yellow cards in two game, one of which resulting in a PK? Jesus Christ.
Looks like Earnie has mastered the art of falling down with style. Did that fly in Holland? Pretty crazy match. Wishing Brandon P was still a Wiz. DC looked good for being a man down. I'd imagine Wolff and/or Simu might have changed that a bit though.
FOULS: 23 (Alex Zotinca 7) So is he playing well or just out there trying to break the Fouls Commited record? Also, where did he play? (Wasn't able to watch this one..)
So the lead wasn't pissed away because the call was bad, but the subsequent yellow card still reflects badly on Zotinca? Some terrible calls both ways and as disappointed as I was that we were on the back foot for much of the first half, I was impressed we attacked well in the second and took the game to them. Some nice interplay in the midfield, too bad our finishing was abysmal. I didn't like the substitutions much, but I'll take the point on the road. Especially in a game where we didn't exactly set the world on fire in any facet of our game. cheers, hobbes
Actually- yes. 1) Its hard to "piss away a lead" when the goal isnt the fault of not working hard etc. 2) that wasnt the only foul zontica commited that night, so it doesnt matter whether the call was good or bad. he shouldnt foul so much.
KC v. DC Post-Game As has been mentioned by others, our finishing was terrible. Zotinca's call was an absolute no-brainer correct call by the ref. The yellow card WOULD have been harsh if it was given for the foul. It wasn't. It was a Persistent Infringement yellow. A couple minutes before, the center called Zotinca over, and told him to cut it out. That's how we pissed it away. Why didn't we put another attacker on the field in the second half? I'm glad to see that Brown got yanked, and I'm glad to see Armstrong get some PT, but I don't think that the sub was the right one.
Rousch I couldn't possibly disagree with you more about the penalty. The pbp guy said Stewart did a good job of backing in. Unfortunately when you back in while the ball is in the air, it should be a foul to the player who backs in, not the defender who wins the ball in the air while going over the forward's back. That's my take anyway. I wouldn't give the referee credit for calling persistent infringement. He certainly had never heard of playing advantage. The red card was very harsh, our third yellow was ridiculous, I could go on and on, I thought DC probably deserved a PK in the first for what looked to me to be a hand ball. I've only seen Zotinca once, so I'm not trying to defend him. He didn't play very well tonight, but I'm not going to make a rash decision on how he'll work out. I didn't think he did anything wrong on the PK and in fact the chance came because Garcia got turned by Convey. cheers, hobbes
Apparently the guys broadcasting hadnt heard of it either. They were like "looks like the ref will call a late foul...or not call it at all" but DC had advantage. Moron. The red was quite harsh, it deserved a yellow because it seems a bit reckless but not a red. what was the third yellow? And convey crying because he got hit in the head and then petke was pissed...convey got hurt because of himself. he went in on what seemed like a slide tackle on meola- tony jumped so he wouldnt be hit and when coming down he hit convey. it was conveys fault.
Well, like others have said, our finishing was horrible, so why on earth didn't we see Simutenkov? Is it a rule that every time he scores he must sit out the next game? I have to wonder if there are some personality conflicts going on here. At the very least we could have seen Fabbro. And what's the deal with Wolff? I fear his becoming another Lassiter (i.e. the big signing who doesn't play, much less score).
That's the second time this season I've seen Convey throw himself fruitlessly into the path danger. Earlier this season he collided with teammate Eskandarian and nearly decapitated the poor fellow.
Igor & Wolff are still nursing injuries. Last I heard, Wolff was probably out for at least another week. (I have no idea where I heard that though...) Even w/o those guys, we have 25 - 30 minutes to pick up the winning goal against a 10 man DC team. Perhaps Bob was resting Igor because he thought we could get it done w/o him.
The refs were consistently terrible. Zotinca earned the PK, he had stewart in a headlock. Olsen dove over Talley, thus giving Talley a yellow and Preki one for dissent on an obvious bogus call. Neilsen's red card should have been a yellow. His hands were coming up to protect himself, not to pull a player down, and he was in mid stride after losing possession 2 strides earlier. Convey should have earned a yellow for sliding Meola in the box. Instead he just got cleets in the back of his head, which he noticed about a minute later then he went to the ground like a little girl. Petke though Talley did it and tried to start a fight. Histro came into the game looking for a fight. The line up looked something like this. Conrad-Garcia-Talley Zotinca-Zavagnin Klein-Gomez-Quill Preki Brown
something is telling me i should be slightly happy that i missed this game. Zotinca sounds like the good ol' matt mkeon we all know and love. Perhaps hes just too used to MISL refs pretty much allowing anybody to do anything on the field , outside of posessing a tactical nuclear missile. on the other hand, i would like to see this game now, so i can judge for myself on all the bad calls. I do know, however, that im sick of friggin draws. We manage to do this at some point in time every year, have a streak of games where we either win 1-0 or get a draw. I hate draws. its getting to the point where i would rather us lose than draw. At least when you lose you can go back and definitivley say "hey, this, this, and this needs to be changed now" or " So and So played like crap. bench him" or "i need a drink" When you draw, its hard to take away too many positives, but you cant exactly rip the team apart either. I guess i just wish we would finally decide to be one ass-kicking MLS team of death for the rest of the season. i have trouble beleiving that theres more to it than that.
I didn't get to see the game last night but MLS Wrap on Fox Sports Wolrd listed the lineup as this. Klein-Conrad-Garcia-Talley Gomez-Preki-KZ-Zotinca Quill-Brown
Ick Once again, the refs were horrible. Although I will admit the call on Zontinca was justified. He looked like he was trying a WWE takedown on Stewart. Convey deserved at least a yellow for being a moron. He knew (or at least should have known) he was not going to beat Tony to the ball and then to slide at him is unacceptable. He put Tony and himself at risk doing it, he should be grateful all he got was the cleat to the head. I give Bob credit for at least trying to attack a little instead of bunkering. The defense had a few lapses and I can't blame Bob for those (not knowing what he works on in practice), but I can blame him for a poor lineup (maybe starting Armstrong instead of Brown) and poor substitutions (if the other team goes down a man, bring on some fresh legs to capitalize on it). I think Zotinca will improve once he adjusts from the physicality of the indoor game. His work rate is excellent. Brown and Fabbro could learn plenty from him. We need to learn to finish. We had quite a few chances during the 2nd half and we couldn't put them away. That being said, I'm glad we got the draw. One point is better than no points. Chris
Zotinca definitely did not play left mid and Quill was not a forward. Our depth is at its end, players need to get healthy quick. I agree with the line-up that was put out their. The subs were decent. Though the one gripe I have was Brown for Armstrong. Not that it isn't a bad sub in a normal game, but when the other team goes a man down you should pull a d-mid and put in a forward. Allowing Preki to drop back with Armstong and Brown up top. If I were coach it would have looked like this. Conrad-Garcia-Talley Zavagnin Klein-Gomez-Quill Preki Brown-Armstrong
I'm sorry, that PK call was BS all over. Stewart was backing up into Zontica and locking arms with him. The foul was rightfully Stewart's to receive, but Corky blew it hard. It may have been the worst game I've seen since Snitko. Too much holding the ball, not enough shots. Not enough pressuring the ball carrier and too much sitting back sniffing our fingers. Too much passing to a United player and not enough, er, completing passes. Good to see Armstrong in there. Missed Igor. Fabbro would not have helped. Is his last name Lopez? It ought to be. -Grendel-
The PK was the correct call. Zotinca had an arm over his shoulder and visibly pushed off of him while keeping Stewart down. The call was correct.
KC v. DC Post-Game As someone over on the DC boards said: "Their white jerseys stand out really nice against our black ones." Zotinca fouled Stewart in the box, and got a yellow for PI. One of the few really good calls I saw in this game.
Remember in the first half when it appeared that Rimmando looked to be possibly out side of the box when Brown was making a run, and put a shot on only to be smothered. (YCJ/Mead) take a look at the front foot.
Very interesting pic, it never even occured to me that Rimando was out when I was watching. Too bad though because what is done is done. Anyways, I was only able to catch the second half and what I saw was very disappointing. Finishing was pure crap I think. We had several quality chances. It just didn't seem to be our night. I too am becoming extremely sick of draws, we get way too many. Sure it is better than losing but I can only take so much, especially after last year. We didn't look like we wanted to win it either. Oh well, there is always next game, lets hope for the best. FORZA WIZARDS
And speaking of the photos, Stewart may have backed in, but Zotinca deserved the yellow and the PK call. Just check my photo of him draped on Stewart. Him and Dema fought a private war the whole game. Brownie was worthless. Totally shite. Arnaud was dangerous during his brief stint. And I applaud Bob for going for the win on the road. Replacing Zotinca (who was another yellow card waiting to happen) with a forward. Klein, Preki, and Brown all missed great goal shots. I kept thinking that Preki must've been list up top with Brown - until I realized that Quill was actually on the field....
Nice photo work as usual Andy, but you will notice from the picture that Rimando is leaning backwards and his left foot is on the edge of the area and the ball is already leaving Brownie's foot.. That ball probably strikes Rimando in less than a 1/10 of a second after that photo was taken.... If I remember the play correctly, it was very bang-bang and very difficult to tell.. I will tell you this though, I sit in the mezzanine right at the edge of the box and I thought initially that he did indeed play it outside the box but looking at replays when I got home, it was very difficult to tell one way or the other.. In other words, if Gansler had throw out the red flag, it would have cost him a time out because the replay was inconclusive.. Keep up the good camera work.... C Webb