Kamala on the Stump

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  1. soccernutter

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    Did you read the whole article? I ask as I got something different from that. Of course, I also heard about this from the author on Post Reports. What he said is that people in the first year of her VP seemed, to him, to be there more to pad their resume rather than more concretely work for the VP. He said that when she hired Vols (in 2021), that changed things as Vols was more about the position of working for the VP than padding her resume. What he seemed to infer was that Vols was more professional, and that Harris was able to find the right person as opposed to somebody who was there for politics. To me, I heard it as Harris growing into her position, which is natural.

    But after reading the article, I got a different view, overall. In context, I will say that my favorite boss (in academics) was a Black woman who called me out on my bullshit, and when she did that, I would go to the mat for her. She got a rap for being "bi-polar" or mean, but she had a great relationship with many of the students that was not always seen - she could be blunt, often. Apart from that, I have met a few people who are that "Type-A" person, who want to know what they did wrong rather than what they did right. This struck me along those lines:

    That behavior manifests in other encounters, the staffer continued, such as when someone pays her compliments. “She’ll turn to them and say ‘why?,’ and that throws them off,” the staffer said.

    With that context, what I got out of the article is a supremely self-confident and ambitious person who expects people to be at her level. And in a world filled with false compliments and platitudes, she doesn't have time for that with her staff. Not to mention, she is very intelligent.

    But, yeah, I agree that some of the digs at her were (are) because she is a WOC.
     
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  2. Minnman

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    I'm pretty sure he also came through on a vast tax cut for the wealthy. Credit where it's due.
     
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  3. charlie15

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    Having said that the title is rather unflattering and misleading.
     
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  4. soccernutter

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    It's the negative version, but it's not wrong.
     
  5. Cris 09

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    Polls give me anxiety...

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  6. Hayaka

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    That’s exactly what I thought, but it’s nice to hear a professional state it.
     
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  7. Minnman

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    bump

    Last week's debate thread has kinda taken over general Harris campaigning news.

    Harris is back on the road today, doing a sit-down interview with the National Association of Black Journalists in Philadelphia today. She'll be in Michigan and Wisconsin later this week. Today, Walz is doing two events in Georgia and a rally in Asheville, NC tonight.

    As has been suggested by various campaign experts, she and Walz are spending more time meeting with local media than with national outlets. Last Friday she did a solo interview with the ABC affiliate in Philadelphia.
     
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  8. rslfanboy

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    I like that they are largely telling the national media “elites” to sit and spin.
     
  9. SamScouse

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    dunno about other US networks, but if she/they are steering clear of CNN, I don't blame them one iota.

    CNN is drifting closer every day to "BNN" - the Bothsides News Network. too often they powder-puff questions to the Repubs and let them spout their shit with meek followups, then constantly ask Dems to justify the Dem position, while repeating the Repubs' soundbite attacks.

    Dana Bash is the absolute worst.

    it is so freaking tedious.
     
  10. rslfanboy

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    I'll take your word for it, but that has been the way CNN has trended, trying to capture the type of viewer who has nothing better to do than leave the TV on a news channel all day.

    There was hope with this latest CEO that it wouldn't be as bad as Chris Licht.
     
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  11. Cris 09

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    Leadership right here...

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  12. Auriaprottu

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    Love her. That said, she hasn't yet indicted America for embracing the Trumps of this country instead of condemning them. There are x number of people who did not vote for Biden in 2020.

    She's wrong. We're not all better than this. Only the people who are voting for her are better than this. The people who vote for anyone else or who stay home ARE this.
     
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  13. Minnman

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    Without calling out everyone who voted GOP in 2020 (some of whom she's hoping will flip in 2024), I'm a bit surrised she failed to mention Charlottesville, and the fact that men waving swastikas - American citizens - were marching down the main street in Springfield last week. Most people are good people. But the "old playbook" requires a certain percentage of the population to go along. When they think Trump is there to protect them, neo-fascist "Americans" crawl out from under their rocks, giving us a preview of what we expect, week after week after week in a second Trump presidency.
     
  14. ToMhIlL

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    Unfortunately, this election is close enough that she can't afford to alienate any voters who she might be able to peel off. The "your better than this" line is a matter of giving people the benefit of the doubt, even though many certainly are not.

    The difference between Harris and Trump is that she believes people--all kinds--are basically decent until proven otherwise, whereas Trump believes that people who are different from him (or don't suck up to him) are inherently bad and to be feared and not trusted.
     
  15. dapip

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    What’s wrong with teamsters?

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  16. charlie15

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    Actually, as mentioned in a different thread, the Teamsters members voted 59% for Trump in their internal poll (34% for Harris). They are mad...
     
  17. dapip

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    Seems like state chapters are more down to earth:

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  18. Kazuma

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    Michigan union members got to witness right-to-work* be implemented, so I'm not surprised they are endorsing Harris.

    *: Warms my heart to see Rick Snyder complain whenever Whitmer and MI Dems repeal whatever he decided to implement. If I were him I'd be keeping my mouth shut and just thanking every deity known that jail didn't happen.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Listening to Dana Bash on Longwell's show illustrates why we should criticise the institution and not the journo

    Bash is absolutely an ally. Thoughtful, intelligent, awake to the dangers.

    CNN leadership is the problem.
     
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  20. superdave

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    One of the reasons for panic after the Biden debate was that Harris’ favorability numbers were pretty bad for a VP. Somehow, some way, she has significantly changed that. I saw a poll where she was +1, which is an almost impossible level in today’s negative polarization climate.

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    Another worry was that her run in 2019 wasn’t good. It just wasn’t. The fact that she’s running this team which has led to +1 favorability is incredible. Political scientists and thoughtful journos are going to study the period between the two debates. Because she pulled off something that seemed literally impossible before the fact.
     
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  21. Q*bert Jones III

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    I don't think it was that impossible tbh. For some goddamned reason, Biden had forced her into complete invisibility as the VP. But that meant that she became the nominee as a completely blank slate. As long as she didn't Palin herself, I thought she'd have a decent chance of winning.
     
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  22. superdave

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    No, it’s not her chance of winning that seemed impossible. I’m narrowly talking about having a positive approval rating.
     
  23. dapip

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  24. Cris 09

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    Yup...she went there!!!
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes - this is where the focus groups are actually useful

    Opinions of Harris were broadly but only lightly held. So when groups consistently said "they never see her", "what does she even do" they were simply being honest that they didn't know her.

    There was also a lot of CW. i.e "I don't want her as candidate because other people won't vote for her ... "
     

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