PBP: Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump :: Election Day Thread [R]

They're not voters. You keep saying that, and we keep telling you that these migrants can't vote. Why do you keep saying that when it's not true?

 

No. You made the point that there was a difference in turning a small city from red to blue compared to bringing them in to a big city that was already blue. I've explained to you how the electoral college works, so you don't need to do that legwork.

Also I am just curious if you live or have ever lived in the US.

 

Responding this post, but going to address your posts more broadly.

As this is all regarding Springfield, OH, there are several issues/questions which you have raised.

First: Do the Haitian immigrants eat cats and dogs? The answer is no. But don't just believe me, believe Springfield City Manager Brian Heck:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...on-haiti-haitian-cats-dogs-geese/75191768007/

Springfield City Manager Bryan Heck released a public statement Wednesday criticizing the unfounded rumors spread by conservative figures, including former President Donald Trump, that Haitian immigrants in the city have been eating pets and wildlife.

"It is disappointing that some of the narrative surrounding our city has been skewed by misinformation circulating on social media and further amplified by political rhetoric in the current highly charged election cycle," Heck said in the statement posted to Facebook.​

Second: That video (of which I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about), I think it is this:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...d-ohio-trump-vance-harris-debate/75171964007/

There is video, from an arrest in Canton in the above:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...d-ohio-trump-vance-harris-debate/75171964007/

And it is not even clear she is Haitian

Canton police arrested Allexis T. Ferrell at 10:45 p.m. Friday night in the 1100 block of 13th Street SE. She is accused of killing a cat by "stomping its head" and then eating it in a residential housing complex. Multiple people saw the incident.​

Allexis T Ferrell does not seem like a Haitian name (typically they have a French or Spanish first or last name), so I have suspicions that she is a recent immigrant, if an immigrant at all. Perhaps she is second generation, but even so, it is still the wrong city, and a single incident.

Third: About that picture.

Again, from the fact check source:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...d-ohio-trump-vance-harris-debate/75171964007/

Photos and video being taken out of context or wholly misidentified are being used to spread misinformation and falsehoods about Haitian immigrants in Ohio.

One such photo shows a man carrying a dead goose in Columbus. It's being used as proof by right-wing figures falsely claiming that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are eating pets and wildlife. The man who took the photo, who wishes to remain anonymous, tells The Columbus Dispatch he now regrets taking the photo.

"I wish I never took it, for sure. And I hate that the picture that I took is being weaponized to use against immigrants, or really, any other group. They always have to have somebody to use as a weapon. Some group to be the bad guy," he said.

The photo depicts a person carrying a seemingly dead goose down Cleveland Avenue in Columbus. A Google Street View of the photo's background shows the photo was taken in Columbus — not Springfield, as some right-wing accounts have claimed.​

This photo is both taken in Columbus AND not of a cat nor a dog. Basically, it seems to be akin to road kill, and nobody says much other than "yuck" or "gross" in those cases.

So far, it is much ado about nothing.

Fourth: Why did they move to Springfield? It was already addressed by @celito in post 1721, but I'll add my own source.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...on-pull-city-into-national-light/75145499007/

The Biden administration has allowed legal entry through a humanitarian parole program to hundreds of thousands of migrants fleeing that violence and similar crises in Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba.

Springfield officials say the surge of immigrants is thanks to the city’s “lower cost of living and available work,” per an immigration-focused FAQ page on the city’s website. Those hired at area companies have been background checked and issued Social Security numbers and work permits. They pay taxes but aren’t permitted to vote. ​

Fifth: Do Haitian immigrants have driver's licenses?

The answer to this is murky, but the Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV) suggest if they do have them, they have earned them in a legal manner.

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/bmv-addresses-rumors-about-haitian-drivers-in-springfield

On top of those concerns, YouTube videos and social media posts have insinuated the Haitian community is cheating on drivers tests at the BMV, in order to obtain a license here.

So, we sat down with the leader of the Ohio BMV on Thursday to break down fact vs. fiction.

"I've seen the video, I can tell you our driver examiners monitor the knowledge testing portion of that process very closely. There are actually cameras in our facilities on those knowledge testing kiosks,” said Charlie Norman, Registrar, Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV).

Norman is also letting the public know what happens if the BMV catches someone cheating.

"So if we catch a person cheating they're not allowed to have phones on the counter, they're not allowed to have written instructions, anything written down, any notes or anything like that,” said Norman.

Norman also addressed concerns about cheating in the driving portion of the test.

"Language assistance aids or interpreters are not allowed to be used for that in car testing portion,” said Norman.​

While that is not conclusive, it does suggest that any DLs received were earned.

Not, regarding the safety issue, it is noted that driving norms in Haiti are not like they are in the US, and any Haitian immigrant driving would need to adjust. Thus, they can be dangerous.

Sixth: Regarding the population

I think we can all agree that an influx of immigrants increasing the city by approximately 30% will cause a strain on city resources. But, not all issues are related to the immigrants. For example, school enrollment and a housing shortage.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news...on-pull-city-into-national-light/75145499007/

It's worth noting that Springfield officials have complained about overcrowded schools for nearly a decade, predating the influx of Haitian immigrants. An imminent housing shortage throughout Clark County made headlines in 2019.​

Seventh: Resident reports versus official statements

One of the more concerning parts of your posts is the continued reference to residents reporting of something while being contradicted by official responses. Why do you take the resident reporting over the official response? What level of reliability do they have that the officials do not?

Eighth: Voting

It is just false that this could occur, and that they were landed in Springfield for that purpose. Do you live in the US and, if so, have you even worked an election? If you have not, I encourage you to do so, both as civic duty, but also to understand how secure our elections really are (including the difficulty of non-citizens being able to vote).

Edit: Replied before I realized the thread got closed.

 

You know you’re getting trolled yet you continue to respond to them, why?