PBP: Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump :: Election Day Thread [R]

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Let's be realistic, any peace deal would involve giving Russia more territory than just Crimea.

    At the very least there will be "independent" countries created out of the territory occupied by Russia.
     
  2. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    These latinos are all n4zis I tell ya!
     
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  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
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    The conflict in East Ukraine never stopped after 2014. It only got worse. Trump was irrelevant.

    Obama famously appeased Putin and he took Crimea. Biden took a stronger stance against him and he officially invaded. This tells me it's all irrelevant.

    It depends on terms of the deal. If Trump kicks Putin out of east Ukraine I will give him credit. A peace deal that involves Ukraine losing a good chunk of their territory is just appeasing Putin and kicking the can down the road for further encroachment.
     
  4. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Kamala didn’t do better than Biden in any county lmao What a landslide this was.
     
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  5. Brilliant Oranje

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    I partially agree with you
     
  6. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    If Ukraine was seeking to peel away from Russian sphere of influence, it's Russia's problem. Not Biden's, not Obama.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Indeed. IT also shows that white people do not have a monopoly on racism.
     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    There can always be a point when a mindset changes.
    When I lived in Newcastle (almost 20 years ago), the guy who ran the local corner shop was born in Pakistan and moved to the UK as a child in the 50s with his parents. They started the shop and then he took it over.
    He used to regularly have heated but civil discussions with the regulars about there being too many immigrants. Some would challenge him on being an immigrant, and he would respond that he was, but not any more. He was now a British citizen and his children and grandchildren were all born British.
     
  9. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    I’m sure much of it was because as legal immigrants they have contempt for illegal immigrants, which they must see more than anyone.
     
  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    It's not a real peace agreement if you are making peace between countries that have never fought.
     
  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
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    America has spoken, whether or not I like it. That is all.
     
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  12. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    From his source:


    On September 15, 2020, the signing of the agreements was hosted by US president Trump on the Truman Balcony of the White House amid elaborate staging intended to evoke the signings of historic formal peace treaties in prior administrations.[3][4][5]

    As part of the two agreements, both the Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations. Israel's initial agreement with the Emirates marked the first instance of Israel establishing diplomatic relations with an Arab country since 1994, when the Israel–Jordan peace treaty came into effect.[6] The agreements were named "Abraham Accords" to highlight the common belief of Judaism and Islam in the prophet Abraham.[7][8]


    It was meant to LOOK like a peace treaty. Therefore in Trump World. It IS a peace treaty.
     
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  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    And up until the 1973 October War the UAE and Bahrain couldn't have fought Israel if they wanted to because they were both British protectorates.
     
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  14. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    Petaluma
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    So apparently you don’t know what gullible means either.
     
  15. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    Tammy Baldwin held on and it looks as if Elise Slotkin is going to get over the line in Michigan. Gallego is likely to in Arizona as well.

    In Wisconsin, that means an undervote of circa 58k. Baldwin's opponent was a very wealthy self-funded banker who ran a particularly, shall we say, "aggressive" campaign.

    She had an identity and ran on her record. Harris had neither
     
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  16. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
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    That's the same logic MAGA use when blaming NATO for Russia invading Ukraine.

    They say it's Ukraine's problem because they chose to play footsie with Western Democracies. It's ludicrous victim blaming.
     
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  17. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Get out of your Liberal echo-chamber.
     
  18. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    A 3rd-generation Mexican-American being hostile to the arrival of 1st-generation, just-crossed-the-river Mexican immigrants is racism, how?
     
  19. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    So dictionaries are liberal??
     
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  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    It's too early to say this for sure, as there's a lot of votes left to be counted, especially from the Harris friendly west coast, but looking at the 2016, 2020, and initial 2024 results, it sure looks like Trump's voters turned out and Harris's voters just didn't.

    Trump 2020 vs 2024 - 74,224,319 to 71,975,021
    Dem 2020 vs 2024 - 81,284,666 to 67,128,083
     
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  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    In some ways I kinda feel as if in 2020 a lot of people understood that Trump was an existential threat to their survival. In 2024, with an extraordinary amount of media sanewashing, they didn't.
     
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  22. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I'm not sure I buy that. Or at least the evidence isn't there yet.

    Some alternative hypotheses, none of which are mutually exclusive:

    1. Voters were in a throw the bums out mood. Harris was one of the bums.
    2. Dems weren't in love with Harris. This is partly the consequence of a lack of a traditional primary "romance" and "get to know you" period. The old line is that Dems fall in love while Republicans fall in line. The Republicans fell in line. The Democrats didn't fall in love. So they didn't turn out.
    3. There were always going to be strong headwinds against a black woman.
    4. The Democrat brand no longer effectively appeals to a majority of the country.
     
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  23. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    After January 6 ? I don't know if I buy that. Something else is going on here IMO.

    My opinion of the media is that those cheap shots of taking shit out of context only hurts them. Trump successfully painted them as fake news from 2016 on and some of the stuff they did was self fulfilling. That's not to say the other side isn't any better. They are worse IMO. I am just critiquing this side and I know a lot of people here don't agree with it.
     
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  24. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    Yes, my liberal echo chamber in which Harris actually IS a woman of color, which means people voting for her for that reason are not gullible because it’s something she actually is. Unlike Trump being a successful businessman, a patriot, a Christian, or whatever other BS he’s selling to the MAGA rubes.
     
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  25. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
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    New pre-election indicator. If your rallies are empty and lack enthusiasm with people leaving early, you will win.
     
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