PBP: Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump :: Election Day Thread [R]

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  1. Brilliant Oranje

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  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yes, it was a perfect world back then.

    Oh no, wait.

    "By the end of 2019, the number of forcibly displaced persons had reached 79.5 million, having doubled over the preceding 20 years. A record 19 million children were internally displaced owing to conflict and violence in 2019."
     
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  3. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    You're doing the same thing that someone else in here accused me of doing.
    Do you have the numbers for more recent years?
     
  4. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    Exactly, he said "major wars". Read again. Third time is the charm.
     
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  5. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Yes, but were they White?

    [/troll farm rejects]
     
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  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    You wouldn't be trying to move the goalposts, would you?

    I'm responding to your post that was specifically referring to the 2016 to 2020 period. Hence, I pulled up a 2020 report.
     
  7. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    I am not shifting the goalposts, you're the one misrepresenting my position.
    Show me the part where I said that Trump eliminated all warfare from the world.
     
  8. celito

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    Trump was pushing for a second even bigger stimulus package pre election of 2020. But keep twisting facts.
     
  9. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    Strawman. Try harder.
     
  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    You said no major wars started under Trump. Globally speaking, conflicts have been steadily increasing for at least the past 25 years, and the number of people around the world impacted by conflicts have been steadily rising too. Meaning, yes, the numbers are worse now than when Biden took Office, but they were also worse in 2020 than when Trump took office.

    Just because you only know about 2 wars doesn't mean dozens of others aren't happening.
     
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  11. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Be honest, you didn't give a ******** about those conflicts either. Nobody did. Give me a break.
     
  12. celito

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    Abraham Accords and moving the American embassy in Israel recognizing Jerusalem pissed off Hamas so that they planned Oct 7th. So congrats.

    Putin was planning Ukraine invasion for more than a decade. It was always going to happen regardless. The war actually started in 2014 with Crimea annexation and covert operation in East Ukraine ... all of that continued through Trump's administration. Trump tried to weaken NATO allegiance giving Putin an extra green light.

    But if you want to keep making nonsensical arguments, COVID happened under Trump administration. His fault.
     
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  13. dark knight

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    This seems as plausible as any explanation to me. The price of groceries and eating out really have changed significantly over the last 4 years and for low information voters who are trying to make ends meet, why would they act differently? There is lots of blame to go around - intolerant, holier than thou liberals, Biden waiting too long, Kamala making a number of poor choices - but ultimately, would any of it have mattered?

    All I read about in the media was how chaotic and awful Trump's campaign was - but the ads I saw in my swing state really hammered home stuff that hurt Kamala and there was no response.
     
  14. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    See if you can get him to look into the deal the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban that released many Taliban prisoners just in time to make the US' final withdrawal such a shit show.
     
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  15. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    You won't even show me some real examples, all I got was two fake ones and the accusation that I only care about this when white people are involved.
     
  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    At a 97% Hispanic population, Starr county, Texas is not just the most Hispanic county in the USA, it's also the most non-white county in the USA. It hasn't voted Republican since 1892
    2016 Trump lost by 60% (not a typo)
    2024 Trump won by 16%
    That's a 76% swing in 8 years. A lot of Hispanics are 4th-generation Americans (and some of them were already there), so deportation doesn't affect them at all. Many don't speak Spanish any more and a lot of Indios never did. On top of which, they have vastly different origin stories - Cubans vs Guatemalans - and quite different cultures

    They voted democrat because they were poor and immigrants, which has always been the democratic party's target audience. As the generations churn, they stop being immigrants and their forms of poverty merge with other groups. Like the Irish and Poles, who've gone through the same process before them, they're becoming less different from the mean. They were bound to stop voting differently too
     
  17. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    More importantly, fewer major hurricanes hit the US in Biden's 4 years than Trump's 4 years.

    In fact, none of the hurricanes that hit in Biden's time could be classified as "major" because I said so and/or because I didn't hear about them. :cool:
     
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  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I just gave you the data, including the prevailing trends through 2019. But if you need an example, fine: Haiti.
     
  19. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Rep also for the proper use of "Low Information Voter." The political scientists who use that term use it to mean "people who have a lot going on in their lives and who thus choose not to make politics the central focus of their lives."

    Too many people, esp. those on the left who aren't political scietists (and those on the right who never miss the opportunity to see themselves as victims of educated elitists) think that it means "dumbasses." It most certainly does not.
     
  20. Brilliant Oranje

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    The Russian invasion into Crimea started under Obama, took a break when Trump won the election, and resumed when Biden got elected.

    See a pattern here??

    BTW if Trump brokers some type of peace deal with Putin, will you give him credit for that??
     
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  21. stanger

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    Not if it involves Ukraine losing territory.
     
  22. Brilliant Oranje

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    Also if a peace deal between Israel and Arab countries pissed off Hamas, then they are the problem and not Trump
     
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  23. Brilliant Oranje

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    They might have to give up Crimea, but that land was lost a long time ago
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    There guys are so insular, doubt they know much what's happening outside their neighbourhood, much less Afghanistan. But at least they're learning something today...
     
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  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    They shouldn't have to give up anything they don't want to give up.

    If they want to keep fighting we should continue to arm them.
     

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