Julian Green at SpVgg Greuther Fürth

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  1. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow they won. Green didn’t play.
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Green was a significant part of the problem.
     
  3. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Assuming this a joke. He was on the bench (DNP) for a 7-1 and a 6-3 drubbing two games ago... Maybe he just brings bad vibes?

    Union had 3x the shots GF had, 2x+ the corners, dominated possession. I'm not thinking at 7-1, 6-3 loss and a surprise 1-0 win without Green points to him being any significant influence one way or the other.
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    They kept the formation and made a swap like-for-like with Tillmann for the 7-1 destruction.

    The 4-2-3-1 was not working, but their coach had stuck to it thinking Green could be an asset. After all, he was doing some decent distributing in the 2.BuLi but his lack of speed was lethal in the first division.

    So, to make things work better (they're still going down, no doubts about it) they had to try something different, a scheme that has no place for Green.

    And they finally did it. What they played today had a three CMs protecting the back line, no CAM/B2B. So no place for Green. And it worked. They had tried to give JG diverse roles, and in none of them he was effective.
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    #3980 freisland, Dec 12, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2021
    Green has not played a single minutes in 3.5 games.
    The lost the 2nd half of the 1st game he was subbed out
    They lost the 2nd 6-3 (no Green)
    They lost the 3rd 7-1 (no Green)
    They snuck an against the run of play win today 1-0. (no Green) while Union had 3x as many shots.

    Furth played almost the same personnel in the 4-3-3 v. Hoffenheim (6-3 loss). I'm going to suggest perhaps the lack of Funk contributed today...

    So sure...
     
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  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I just read that Funk was hurt and not simply benched for shipping 30 goals in 8 games. Given that Burchert stopped 6 SOG - apparently a pretty good effort from Kruse - maybe Furth hopes Funk stays knocked a minute or two... (although Burchert's 17 goals in 7 games are exactly something to write home about, it's markedly better and comes with a win and a tie - also known as "all of SpvGG's points thus far.")
     
  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
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    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the bench:

     
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    They got a point. Green DNP.
     
  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
  11. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fürth in EPL would have a triple digit negative GD.
     
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  12. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Any lack of finger-point at Furth's keeping (or lack there of) is professional negligence. Not saying with someone better than Funk they are good, but the keeping pre-injury was a disaster. Burchert gave up 3 to BVB but otherwise has 2 shutouts in 3 starts for a 1-1-1 record. Funk had exactly 0 shutouts and 8 losses in 8 games. (9 if you count cups)
     
  13. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the bench:

     
  14. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Green subbed on, in the 89th minute, for Timothy Tillman. They were trying to preserve a 0-0 tie. He made a clearance, but it was three minutes and too little to rate. They've only lost one of their last four. If they keep this up ... they'll probably still be relegated.
     
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  15. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If they averaged 1.25 points per game for the rest of the season, as they are in this 4-game stretch, they'd finish on 26 points. That point total would have resulted in automatic relegation in all but one Bundesliga season since 2010.
     
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  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    The keeper change has been huge in the GA column. But they have nobody scoring for them at all.
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Burchert had 14 saves in the four games he played.

    Funk had 15 saves in the four games right before those.

    I don't think it's the change in keepers. It's the different formation, with 3 defensive CMs instead of 2, which means Green is out.
     
  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Green has not started in a game since the BMG loss. He didn't get any minutes Funk's last 2 games (a 7 and 6 GA loss respectively.)

    Buchert has 3 SO and a 3 goal lost to (2) Dortmund. The SO are (6) Berlin, (16) Augsburg, (17) Stuttgart.

    Funk gave up 7 to Leverkusen, 6 to Hoffenheim, 4 to BMG, 2 to Einteracht, 3 to Freiburg, 4 to Leipzig, 1 to Bochum. 3 to Cologne.

    I don't think Funk has a single SO this season.

    But sure. (When you stop all the shots, the number of shots is limited. You can't make more shots to stop. When you stop all but 6 or 7 shots, it's not the same. Even if the number of saves is the same, if you stop 15, and let in 0, that's not the same as stopping 15 and letting in 6. That's crazy-talk.)
     
  19. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    LA Times reporter Kevin Baxter says that Julian Green is a transfer option for Los Angeles FC.

     
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  20. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all due respect to Julian Green that's a pretty big gap between Plan A and Plan B.

    Jonathan Rodriguez, 28 years old, has 73 goals over 182 games between Santos Laguna and Cruz Azul.
     
  21. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One would imagine the targets are not part of the same flow chart. One is probably not mutually exclusive of the other. Why would Green want a move though? He sees the writing on the wall, Furth is down, and he'll be playing second division soccer again, which is probably his level. All's good?
     
  22. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless he wants something different than the 2.BL.
     
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  23. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Green probably now accepts he is not B1 quality. No one is coming for him when they go down, and the unlikely promotion Furth achieved won’t happen again.
    He did sign an extension and Furth will want something. Will someone be willing to pay that is a different story.
     
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  24. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Green has shown so little ambition to play anywhere but Germany - Bavaria/Swabia, even - I think if he does decide to go far "abroad" it will be like one of the Wien's or Salzburg or maybe someplace crazy like Belgium. He has shown 0 interest in playing outside of Germany. I'd be really surprised at a move like this (for him and club) and wonder how it would turn out.
     
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