Juan Pablo Ocegueda at Alebrijes de Oaxaca

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Werdman89, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    don't they have to transfer the contracts over to MLS.
     
  2. Bolivianfuego

    Bolivianfuego Your favorite Bolivian

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Va
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I think I heard that also... if it's an internal player.
     
  3. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's on loan from Tigres to Chivas MX so that's the hold up. He's contractually a Tigres player so any loan would have to be fascilitated through them. On top of that he's a US Youth international and IIRC would be subject to a lottery.
     
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  4. UcIceD2011

    UcIceD2011 Member+

    Jul 10, 2011
    Nor Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only thing that sucks is he isn't going to be able to play any official games until the u20 world cup. That includes no youth games either. Hopefully he is able to stay sharp with an eye to making a move over the summer because this situation sucks.
     
  5. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Gee, we tried to loan a loaned player and apparently that doesn't work!"

    It looks like Vergara's organization is on top of things south of the border as well.


    Also, I wonder if there really would be a lottery if Chivas were able to loan Ocegueda to Chivas Jr. Pretty much every returning YNT player has come to MLS after their contract had expired or had been terminated. If a club actively acquired a USYNT player via loan or transfer fee, MLS would have to invent new rules on the fly to deal with the situation.
     
  6. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    lets be honest, this this was Mexico's final attempt to persuade Juan to switch over to El tri when they shipped him to Chivas with the policy. Juan still said "USA" now Juan will likely be coming back to the United States.
     
  7. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interview, he first pops in at 0:37-

     
  9. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has now joined Chivas full-time & opting out of future US call-ups:

     
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  10. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fine, as long as he is also rejecting call-ups from Mexico.
     
  11. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was unlikely to get another US callup anyway, not good enough.
     
  12. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Same Chivas propaganda they always regurgitate. There's no call-up to reject.
     
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  13. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this really a rule? Once you play for Chivas, you can't play for other national teams?
     
  14. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Bad player. I don't think he will ever makes any type of impact with Chivas.

    He could have went to MLS if he needed to find a club to play with. I doubt that Chivas was the only club that was interested. Good luck to him though.
     
  15. Mario Balotelli

    Mario Balotelli Member+

    United States
    Feb 28, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has good technique on the ball but appeared far too slow and unathletic to thrive on the senior level. I'd be surprised if he becomes good enough for either NT but good luck to him.
     
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  16. ColeWCAR

    ColeWCAR Member

    Jun 6, 2013
    Indiana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep in mind, he's only a U20 player and still has plenty of room to grow. Sad news because who knows, he could have became a greater player for the USMNT.
     
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  17. RidiculousLichaj

    May 18, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a wanker.
     
  18. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    he isn't going to be getting senior callups from the US or Mexico anytime soon, and he's too old for youth teams. This isn't really a concern until late 2015 when they start having U-23 camps.

    (Link to original suggestion of this point >>> https://twitter.com/klinsmannschaft/status/360930957290774528)
     
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  19. El Michael

    El Michael Member

    Dec 17, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    agree.. and there's probably more to this than what we know so far.
     
  20. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, he'd have to file a one-time switch, so if he's serious he'll put in the papers. No hurry to make the permanent change right now (assuming Chivas doesn't push for it).
     
  22. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    His pace is not going to improve. If he had any pace, he could be a very good player. He runs like a 6'5 35 year old CB who has had a few knee operations.
     
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  23. Sup Bro

    Sup Bro Member+

    Oct 26, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this was pretty predictable. He was just hanging out at Chivas and they said he'd make a decision after the World Cup. Not a big loss for me, I liked him when I first saw him but I felt he got worse every time I watched him. Still a serviceable LB for the u20s though.

    That being said I think it's ridiculous that he has to even make this decision in order to play for Chivas. I think he'll be behind fellow Mexican-American Miguel Ponce at LB (let's hope they don't get caught speaking English and kicked off the team)
     
  24. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can't grow athleticism. There will be no senior international football in his future because of that alone, not even mentioning how physically small and weak he is.

    If he were playing a different position he might be able to get away with some of that stuff, but not gonna happen at fullback, where he'll be eaten alive by pacey and/or physical imposing wingers.
     
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  25. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    In reality, he isn't risking much. He isn't gonna get a senior team call-up any time soon and there's no YNT stuff till 2016 when the 23s get together for Olympic qualifying. So by then he'll either be fully-established as a pro and, if he wants to go elsewhere so he can play for the US he can and if he hasn't, so what?

    This basically gives him over 2 years to make the first team.
     

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