Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart, Liverpool...

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Hobo, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    didn't see a thread on this already.

    From the club website

    http://www.vfb.de/de/aktuell/meldun...juan-agudelo/page/3057-0-3-1321460243.html?f3

    Article talks about how
    - he plays for Red Bull NY and is in Stuttgart to stay fit.
    - is the youngest goal scorer in USNT history.
    - That it came about thanks to JK who says,
    "I am very thankful to (GM) Fredi (Bobic) and (trainer) Bruno (Labbadia) that Juan is able to take part. For Juan taining with Stuttgart is sort of a like an extension of his season, he can breathe in some European air (fairy dust?) and will stay in rhythm."
    - how the Stuttgart international players are returning from their national teams.

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  2. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Wow thats good stuff! Good luck to Juan hopefully he impresses and they shell out some cash for him in January
     
  3. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Really nice to see. Hopefully this does lead to him getting signed by Stuttgart or any other German club.:D
     
  4. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Unlike Kyle or Robbie, I can see Stuttgart actually getting something out of this- a close look at a real young talent.

    Doubt they would be willing to meet the MLS price but here's a maybe- he's obviously talented and NYRB don't seem to have a good place for him right now. In this case, MLS might have a lower price on him than we'd otherwise think.
     
  5. Skevin

    Skevin Member+

    Aug 9, 2009
    Colorado
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Spricht er Deutsch?
     
  6. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    don't think so but I'm sure he can speak Spanish with the Mexican guy
     
  7. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    fyp. :D
     
  8. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Anyone know what the MLS is asking?
     
  9. Chimaera

    Chimaera Member

    Mar 26, 2009
    La Plata, Maryland
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Stuttgart do have the money to meet it, if they wanted to do so.

    But I'm not sure that's their typical move. Train, get a peak, see what the value/cost is, and then probably go with another option.
     
  10. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    That's not the point. German clubs are good at valuing players and rarely overpay for talent. Couple that with the fact MLS horrid at pricing talent and usually ask way too much (see: Buddle sale to Ingolstadt) and you have the makings of a no sale.

    Now, had they gone to Schalke a few years ago then they might have bought him outright. :D

    BTW, it is not just German clubs or VfB that look at players and then go a different direction. That's called good player management.;)
     
  11. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Maybe a loan move allowing MLS to put him in the shop window and see what happens to his transfer value.

    Not sure what Stuttgart's striker situation is & whether that kind of move gives them something, but extra competition for places never hurts - especially up top.
     
  12. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Stuttgart's striker lot are getting up there in age. They have always had a decent stiker group over the years. Some of the most talented strikers in the BL have played at VfB (Klinsmann, Elber, Gomez, Bobic, Walter). With most of their current squad of strikers at or above 26 they may be looking at youth.
     
  13. krelmatrix

    krelmatrix Member+

    Oct 25, 2006
    Leipzig, Germany
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Wasn't Buddle a free transfer?

    Stuttgart is pretty set on attackers/strikers with Pogrebnyak, Cacau, Harnik & Okazaki.

    In any case, I'd say there is a 0.00001% chance that Agudelo's training stint is anything more than a professional courtesy from Stuttgart to a former team legend. Even if his time at Bayern is widely regarded as unsuccessful, Klinsmann's run in the 2006 WC still means he can call in this sort of favor in Germany as often as he wants with nearly any team he wants (Bayern excluded;)).
     
  14. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    I recall the Donaukurrier with a rather pissy article on the transfer fee talks between FCI and MLS, including the improper paperwork. Wasn't the fee like $500k they were asking at first? I think FCI finally said, "Look, we want him but are not paying for him" and MLS let him go...but only after a lot of hullballoo.
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Buddle was out of contract when he signed for FCI, so it was a free transfer.

    http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2011/01/forward-edson-buddle-signs-fc-ingolstadt

    Freddy Adu was trialing at the same time. Perhaps the hullaballoo you're thinking of is Adu related, as his transfer would have been a lot more complicated.
     
  16. krelmatrix

    krelmatrix Member+

    Oct 25, 2006
    Leipzig, Germany
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    That's probably it. I remember an article being linked here after Freddy left Ingolstadt without signing, with some Ingolstadt official stating that they had wanted him, but saw him as a long-term project (ie, more than the spring half of the 2010-11 season when he was offered) and didn't want to pay a transfer fee.

    (as an off-topic aside, the guys who wanted to bring Freddy to Ingolstadt were just replaced, so he might have dodged a depressingly familiar bullet there)

    There was also some pissy dealings with Buddle if I remember correctly, although more having to do with LA Galaxy taking an unexpectedly long time to send his official registration paperwork over to Germany after he signed with Ingolstadt, causing him to miss a game.
     
  17. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Yup, sorry, it was Adu. All American striker look alike. :cool:
    Right. MLS sent either the wrong paperwork or it was not signed. Then there was the issue they did not/could not fax it to Germany. :D I mean, who uses faxes anymore???
     
  18. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    No, MLS is not 'horrid at pricing talent' it is just that a player like Agudelo is worth more to NYRB for a variety of reasons (marketing looming large) than he is to a team like Stuttgart.

    You don't need to be frustrated by that...he's worth more to us. It is what it is.
     
  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    there is also that little thing that MLS does not want to sell him.
     
  20. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    I don't disagree with that statement. However, it has nothing to do with MLS and market valuation, and the two concepts are not the same. Sure, VfB don't need him because guys like him are a dime a dozen in Europe.

    The issue is that MLS tends to over value, and therefore over price, players.


    Agreed. They may not want to and therefore the put a silly price on him so no one will touch him. It is done all the time in football. But again, that is different from the MLS being bad at valuation of thier talent. They simply tend to ask higher prices than clubs are willing to pay. That's pretty consistent of them.
     
  21. R1PP

    R1PP Member

    Dec 3, 2007
    Swarthmore, PA
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    As we all know the single entity league of MLS makes these types of sales more difficult. I wonder if the MLS would really allow both Brek Shea and Juan Agudelo leave the same transfer window that they possibly lose David Beckham. Of course looking at the teams separately LA, NY and Dallas could each lose a player, but then MLS would have to go back and re-do all their commercials.
     
  22. Kool Herc

    Kool Herc Member

    Oct 17, 2008
    Dallas
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    That's because Agudelos aren't a dime a dozen in MLS.
     
  23. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Absolutely. Could not agree more. Hence why he is worth more to RB than VfB.

    Now, in a few seasons who knows? Maybe not VfB but some decent side in Europe would be interested. That seems to be happening more and more with US talent.
     
  24. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    Shea is a big player for FCD. To lose him would give them problems next season.

    Perhaps the big difference is that the teams looking at Shea have deeper pockets...or at least sugar daddys who can pay more...than the German clubs. They are notorious for not paying high prices for players.
     
  25. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Juan Agudelo training with VfB Stuttgart

    MLS does a horrible job at marketing Brek. Seen him on one commercial ever, and that was the MLS Cares commercial, also with Juan and Teal, if I remember correctly.

    I think NY will market whatever DP(s) they sign this winter, and Henry, more then Agudelo. NY vs LA in the playoffs, was billed as Beckham/LD/Keane vs Henry/Rafa. Agudelo wasn't part of the hype.

    As for FCD, and Brek, their attendance sucks with him having an MVP year. It was lower last year, with both Brek and David F. Like it or not, FCD fans are not showing up to watch Brek. Only time they sellout, or really come close to it, is when Beckham visits. So for FCD to see a jump in attendance directly related to the on field product, I think they need a big name DP from Europe. Best way to do that might be with the money from a Brek transfer.
     

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