Josh Wolff & Gregg Berhalter doing well at 1860

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by olephill2, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven't seen many updates on the two members of the "old guard' over at 1860 Munich. Today I wandered over to 1860's website and tracked down their season stats thus far. Both Berhalter & Wolff appear to be in great form for the club, and what's also important is that they're both starting.

    Berhalter is a bit old, but I would not count out Josh Wolff just yet from continuing in the national team picture. 1860 is atop the Bundesliga 2, and if they continue to play well, it's going to look very impressive seeing a Yank starting for a Bundesliga side.

    Josh Wolff has appeared in all 4 matches this season (all or most of them starts), with 0 goals but 3 assists.

    Gregg Berhalter has started all 4 matches and shockingly has 3 goals to his account.

    Great start for both players, and personally, I hope to see Wolff get back into the National Team picture.
     
  2. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Back in the day the likes of Berhalter and Eddie Pope, along with Bocanegra and Co. meant a National Team that could bring some serious firepower on set pieces. Its one of the few areas that our boys have always been especially strong, internationally. I wonder where the team is "headed" now?
     
  3. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Two of them were penalties, so it's not that shocking.
     
  4. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still a little shocking that Berhalter is taking PKs and that the team has already gotten two of them. Cap him now!

    I also think its funny that the poster thinks it would be so "impressive" to see a Yank starting in the BL as if its hardly ever happened. I'd put it on par with a Yank starting in the Premiership... certainly a great accomplishment, but nothing more.
     
  5. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    On the other hand, he already took penalties at Cottbus... maybe it's time to get used to it ;).
     
  6. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess my point was I was surprised there wasn't a forward or midfielder who takes them since that's what happens on most teams.
     
  7. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I find it hard to believe that a USMNT soccer fan is not familiar with the virtues of Berhalter's left foot.
     
  8. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    Right.

    While one could always debate the various virtues/flaws of Greg -- size, speed, athleticism, smarts, technical skill, etc. -- there was never any doubt that he could kick dead balls REALLY hard...and far.

    I remember seeing him in one game suffer a foul deep in a defensive corner, roll the ball down to take the kick, and strike it cross field almost to the other side's penalty area.

    It might have been the longest kick in mankind's history.
     
  9. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am familiar with it, but I didn't know he's the best PK taker on a team yet again. You don't often see defenders as the first choice for PKs. Its nothing against Gregg.
    Being able to kick hard and far does not always mean you are a good PK taker.
     
  10. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's a damn good PK taker and usually taken them at his clubs.
     
  11. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry to dig up one of my old threads, but I'm just curious why we don't see much coverage of our 1860 Munchen boys here on the YA board? I just wanted to point out to the Big Soccer community that Americans who are over 30 and no longer considered MNT prospects are still Yanks Abroad. ;)

    TSV 1860 Munich is currently 5th in the Bundesliga 2 table with 28 points from 17 matches (7-3-7 W-L-T). They're 8 points off the lead, and 3 points off 2nd place, so promotion is a real possibility.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=ger.2&cc=5901

    I sifted through some German websites and think I found some statistics for Wolff and Berhalter. My very limited knowledge of the German language may cause some inaccuracies, but barring those, here's what I dug up:

    After 17 league matches this season:

    Berhalter: 16 appearances, 4 goals.

    Wolff: 14 appearances, 0 goals, 4 assists.

    Here's the website: http://www.tsv1860.de/de/saison/profis/bundesliga/statistik/2007/

    I know "punkte" means points, and "gelb" means yellow. You can somewhat infer the rest: "spiele" = plays or games, "tore" = goals (right?) and vorl. = assists (right?).

    This is where you need btleo! ;)

    Anyway, why so little coverage of Greggory and Joshy on this board? Have we all seriously lost interest? Let's try to give these guys their due. :)
     
  12. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
  13. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How exactly do Kicker's ratings work? Are they on a 10-point scale, as seen with Sky and the BBC?
     
  14. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kicker rates from 1-6, with 1 being the highest. That's what threw me off at first...
     
  15. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^^^^Ah, thanks. So a 3.82 rating for Wolffy is pretty good then, no? That would figure to about a 6.4 rating on a 10 point scale. (3.82/6 * 10) = 6.36
     
  16. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For a forward who hasn't actually scored, it doesn't seem bad. But I'm not super familiar with Kicker ratings...
     
  17. F96

    F96 Member+

    Oct 24, 2002
    Skåne
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Well, here's a list of all Bundesliga II defenders, Greg is actually rated 6th best (Subotic 13th best):
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...-08/topspieler_position/2/topspieler_verein/0

    Just change the field *Position* to Mittelfeld (midfielder) or Angriff (forwards) to get the grades for the other top-players to see where Josh stands.
     
  18. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    That's not correct. Your formula would make worse scores (6) get you all the way to 10, and the best scores (1) get you to 1.

    I'd say a 3.5 is your average score, but Kicker gives more 4s than 3s.
     
  19. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Ya, 3.5-3.65 is probably an average for the league.

    Steve Cherundolo was 3.52 last season for Hannover.

    That means Gregg is having a great year and Josh ... uh, not so great. His recent performances are 4's and lower. I think it'd be fair to say that he's been struggling.
     
  20. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Woops, my mistake. I was under the impression that a higher score was better. Goes to show my ignorance when it comes to Kicker's ratings system.

    Hasn't Josh Wolff been playing on the wing for 1860? If so, that would explain his lower goal tally.
     
  21. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whenever I saw lineups, we was playing Right Wing in a 4-3-3.
     
  22. dcpohl

    dcpohl Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, we were having a nice thread and then someone brings up Subotic. :p No, but seriously that's a good perspective on Neven.
     
  23. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    The Kicker gives the line-ups as 4-2-3-1, with Josh on the far right.
     

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