Joseph "Joe" Scally at Borussia Monchengladbach

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  1. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
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    Nov 14, 2021
    Quality is only obvious after transferring to a top, top team, and producing for a few years, or being a star of that team.;)
     
  2. Alemannia

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    Alemannia Aachen
    Sep 16, 2021
    Yeah, he's not the kind of guy you would start in the big matches, like a Champions League final, right? Oh wait....
     
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  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Bing a team is the defining characteristic of Uruguayan squads, sometimes taking it to the point of being to their detriment. The 1986 World Cup is probably the best example of that.

    The joke that Uruguayans don't have a history so they have football instead is a joke, but one that has a point. Pouring everything into football games, Uruguayans play even pickup games with ferocious intensity. The term they have for it is garra Charrúa or "claw of the Charrúans", a relatively small indigenous people whose losing resistance to European colonization was particularly intense, to the point of their obliteration as a distinct group.

    Uruguayan football has produced plenty of artists down the years, but their heroes is a team that fights and fights against overwhelming odds to the extent of clawing or, in the case of Luis Suarez, biting off a victory :speechless: against an opponent who ought to play you off the park. That's why a tiny country of 3.5 million has won 2 World Cups, 3 World Cup semi-finals, 2 Olympic titles (back in the 1920s, when the Olympics was the international competition) and 15 Copa Sudamericas.

    https://thesefootballtimes.co/2020/08/12/garra-charrua-and-the-psychology-of-uruguayan-football/

    https://the18.com/en/soccer-entertainment/what-does-garra-charrua-mean-uruguay
     
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  4. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Can I be the only one who feels Scally raised his stock these past two games? Especially considering our alternatives (behind two locked-in starters)?

    Plenty of errors, to be sure, but mostly errors of commission (sometimes too committal, too aggressive).

    This was not a debut against Granada, but against Morocco and Uruguay - with (by definition) no fatal errors (i.e. no goals against). Teams defend as a team, and I feel (nearly) certain that Scally was playing where/as Berhalter wanted/instructed him to play (though evidently coordination, especially with Long, was sometimes lacking).

    Vs Morocco, Scally played the whole second half. Hakimi got the better of Scally several times, and there was that bad PK call, but Scally battled to the end.

    Vs Uruguay Scally lasted the full 90'+ - the first hour on the left and the last 30' on the right. I'm pretty sure Berhalter wanted to win and didn't want to lose. He could have pulled Scally (for ARob, at 62', a simple switch) or later at 70', when Scally sat down injured (as others hydrated, while Cannon warmed up). Instead, Scally went the full distance.

    Anyway, we shall see, but I feel Scally is still in the hunt.
     
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  5. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    His aggressiveness, confidence, versatility and upside should keep him in the hunt. He‘s just young in a position where experience at high levels really comes into play.
     
  6. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Good squad player potentially to have on roster due to versatility.
     
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  7. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You can fap about Uruguay as much as you want but they are still a tier 3 and at best tier 2 squad with 2-3 players at top clubs. Full stop. Most comparable European countries like Austria, Wales, Croatia, Denmark or Switzerland no worse, most actually are better.
     
  8. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Yeah, their best players are slumming it at mid-table mediocrities like
    • Tottenham (Betancur),
    • Atletico Madrid (Suarez, Jiminez),
    • Inter (Vecino),
    • Barca (Arujo),
    • Roma (Vina),
    • Man U (Cavani),
    • Arsenal/Fiorientina (Torreira),
    • Real (Valverde) and, arguably,
    • Benfica (Nunez)
    • Sporting Lisbon (Coates),
    Typical tier 3 squad whose dream is reaching the lower levels of tier 2 :speechless:
     
  9. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Oh, and FWIW* they're ranked #13 by FIFA.


    *not a whole lot IMO
     
  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    If your argument is that Uruguay is closer to Switzerland or Croatia than it is to the Spanish or German national teams, that seems reasonable enough (though Wales is definitely pushing it). But your initial argument seemed to be that the average Bundesliga side is way better than Uruguay, which is far less defensible.

    According to Transfermarkt, Uruguay's most valuable XI is worth about the same amount as the most valuable XI for Bayer Leverkusen, the team that finished 3rd in the Bundesliga last season.
     
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  11. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We probably have a different view on what a top club is.

    That's pretty much the definition of a tier 2 or even tier 3 ranked team, isn't it?
     
  12. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    How many tiers do you want to end up with?
     
  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Just two, but with the top tier defined flexibly enough to always include us.

    Think tiers for fears.
     
  14. beamish

    beamish Member+

    Jul 6, 2009
    You'll never fire a coach that way
     
  15. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic

    OK, since Real, Barca, Atletico, Inter, Spurs, etc. aren't top clubs, what is your idea of what constitutes a top club?
     
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  16. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

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    Nov 14, 2021
    Mein Gott, ein hartnakig Deutshe!
     
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    BL is mostly garbage. Lower part of the table is MLS.
     
  18. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Apparently someone liked your post, so you aren't alone. Unfortunately for Scally he must be off the roster.
     
  19. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Scally had 30 Bundesliga appearances this season. He scored 1 goal and had 2 assists. That is pretty good, for an 18/19 year old.
     
  20. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    That's very good for 18/19 years old. But being younger than 20 isn't a prerequisite for the WC. He is still row. He hits a logjam at RB and extra 3 players on the roster limit versatility bonus.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone should tell that to George Bello.

    The Bundesliga is not garbage and the lower part of the table is definitely a higher standard than MLS.
     
  22. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

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    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    One. George Bello isn‘t very good at soccer. Neither was Armenia. The are both where they belong. Two bads found each other. Not sure that proves anything other than they are both bad.

    Two. I just don‘t think Scally should be auto tossed from the roster. I wouldn‘t say he helped himself, but he can play both sides and matches up physically and he isn‘t afraid. If my choices at left are Bello, Vines or Joe as back up then Joe is still in it. Am I missing another choice? Could be. Dest as back up on the left?
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    My point is that George Bello looked much better in MLS than he did for a lower level Bundesliga team. I however wouldn’t throw him overboard either.

    I wouldn’t toss Scally either, though it remains to be seen if he’s ready for the World Cup or not.
     
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  24. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    George Bello and Bielefeld don't say much about anything related to BL1 and MLS. The relegation certainties in most Top 5 leagues would do pretty poorly in MLS if they could start playing in that league immediately after the BL1/Ligue 1/Serie A season ends. That's because relegation teams don't have much depth in squad or variety in their gameplans and get stuck in a rut that they can't get out of.

    Then again, a good promoted BL2 side could do pretty OK in MLS because they've been playing well all season and winning is as habit-forming as losing.

    As for Bello, he may not be a particularly good player, but he's also very young (only 20) making a step up in level and moving to another country and to a poorly-resourced team as well. It's possible that they just dragged him down to their level.

    Let's wait and see how he's doing in a season or two.
     
  25. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Tolkin, Jones, Ream(!), Paredes. But actually that's so wide open that whoever is in the best form in the fall might go. Aaron Herrera played both sides as well. It's just that Scally's confirmed "too young" doubts rather than dispelled them. He's also confirmed that though not slow for a player he is on a slow side for FB.
     

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