At the risk of being pegged as a Torres Apologist, I have yet to see convincing evidence of Torres' defensive limitations/liabilities; liabilities related to his size; or speed/quickness deficiencies. I am open to admitting that perhaps it is my own game watching shortcomings and to be walking through examples of plays. I also think that it would be useful [certainly helpful to me and my own understanding of the game] to talk about the different sorts of defensive qualities and attributes and demands of either our old 4-4-2 twin system under BB or in the variety of systems that JK has utilized. Particularly as relates to our cm pool and to JFT in particular. In terms of examples of poor defense, I a am interested in assessing JFT's quality/lack thereof relative to other players as well as in general. As far as his history, I recall a bad first half in Saprissa (which involved a weird 4-3-3 experiment on the road, on carpet as well as poor performances by Mastro and Beasely of equal suckitude) and a horribly botched tackle attempt versus Belgium but that seemed to be a discrete piece of evidence. And yet it is almost a truism here that Torres has defensive limitations (relative, presumably, to his CM competitors Edu, Beckerman, Jones, Bradley). The breakdowns in CR which were two goals in the first half struck me as more to do with systemic issues [goal 1] in that there seemed to be a communications breakdown between Mastro and Torres subsequent to Beasley's botched clearance and rifled ball in JFT's face. The second goal seemed to be a combination of the same systemic breakdown along with JFT's failure to track back. With respect to the latter, isn't it fair to assume that it's correctable via player experience/maturity/coaching? While he is certainly asked to do different things in the Mexican league tempo-wise [much due to weather], he has shown both at Pachuca and for the US a willingness to run, tackle and work hard on defense. While I would concede that Edu covers more ground and is likely faster, I don't see him as a top notch defensive midfielder nor does whatever he brings defensively offset the amounts of times he creates more defensive opportunities for us by cheaply giving away possession in our own 3rd and elsewhere. Edu strikes me as slightly better version of Rico. Bradley has a great motor, ok speed and quickness but I don't think anyone would call him a great defensive midfielder. He seems to be more disciplined now. Jones strikes me as a very good athlete who is capable of covering as much ground as Edu but who might not have the positional discipline (?) of a Beckerman, who is a good tackler and tidy passer but lacks the athleticism of an Edu. Holden, when healthy based solely on his form in the EPL last year pre injury, is the most complete we have defensively and going forward. Sacha and Benny, while less slight than JFT, havent necessarily struck me as anything more than decent defenders. Most else about JFT's use strikes me as a result for never having been given the chance to work through chemistry issues with a center midfield partner over the course of 90 mins, having always been unceremoniously yanked at halftime (Costa Rica, Holland, Czech Republica, Slovenia) or used as a second half sub. In any case, I am interested in hearing other's thoughts or analysis/disagreement.