John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

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  1. Bill Archer

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    From The Opinion Journal today:

    In an essay a couple of weeks ago, Lawrence Kaplan noted that in the name of "anti-imperialism," many Democrats stand in opposition to democracy in Iraq.

    Now one Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, has come out against democracy in America. "What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States," Kerry told a New Hampshire audience, the Boston Globe reports.

    Kerry didn't say what kind of regime he wants to replace our democratic republic--a military dictatorship? a monarchy?--but he was very critical of the U.S. for having made what he called an "end run around the U.N." So perhaps he favors replacing the U.S. government with a U.N. protectorate. Such a proposal seems unlikely to go over well with American voters, though.

    Another possibility is that Kerry was misusing the word "regime," and that what he meant to call for was a change of administration, which of course would come to pass in the unlikely event that Kerry were elected president. But could this be? After all, Democrats are supposed to be way smarter than Republicans, so you wouldn't expect a guy like Kerry to go around making stupid verbal miscues.

    Of course, this would be the same John Kerry who spoke for, and voted for the "Regime Change" resoultion, which we all recall was written by the Clinto White House and passed by the US Senate in 1998.

    Also the same John Kerry who voted for the "Use of Force" resolution last November.

    But it's also the same John Kerry who desperately wants to be President and has Howard Dean quickly gaining on him among the far-left wing of the democrat party as more and more people find out what a pompous, lying blowhard he is.
     
  2. Dan Loney

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    Sounds right to me. An elected President instead of a right-wing junta. What's hard to understand about that?

    Has the Opinion Journal found out who killed Vince Foster yet?
     
  3. Bill Archer

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    Dan, It's called the Electoral College. It's been in all the papers.

    But hey - you may have set a new record here: it only took ONE post for a leftist to start whining about Al Gore.
     
  4. eric_appleby

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    Well, it's good to lay your cards out on the table.
    Kerry is comparing the Hussein regime to the Bush "regime".

    This is an interesting political moment. We're witnessing the suicide of a political party.
     
  5. edcrocker

    edcrocker Member+

    May 11, 1999
    Bill, I plan to vote for Howard Dean. What do you mean by the "far-left wing of the democrat party?"
     
  6. verybdog

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    Bravo!
     
  7. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

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    Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    I'm going to vote for a candidate who has a presidential face.
     
  8. Smiley321

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    And with the Gennifer Flowers scandal, Bill Clinton was dead meat.........

    I think that Kerry reckons that their chances are only good if this war turns bad. If it does, that suicide will turn into a cushy stay at the health farm.

    However, I agree with Archer, he's a pompous lying blowhard. He's got to lose the pompous part to have a chance, and the big hair. He looks like a photo of Elvis that got stretched.
     
  9. Bill Archer

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    Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Actually, I kind of like Howard. Not that I'd vote for him, but he knows what he is about and doesn't stick his finger into the wind before he gets out of bed in the morning.

    I would much rather have an honest, principled liberal democrat in the White House than some spineless, gutless political hack (of either party) who calls a pollster to find out if he should take a dump.

    I might not agree with the guy, but I like having a President I can respect.

    John has had a firm grasp on the liberal wing, and he figured to ride it to the convention. But the more people actually get to know him, instead of just seeing that Lincolnesque craggy face, and the more they actually hear Dean's opinions, the less attractive Big John looks.

    He has a fight on his hands, and he will turn hard left to try and shore up his support. Hope he rots in hell.
     
  10. Dan Loney

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    I stopped reading the papers once Kentucky lost.

    I suppose now is a great time to point out that RNC Chairman Racicot has just come out against elections:

    "Senator Kerry crossed a grave line when he dared to suggest the replacement of America’s commander-in-chief at a time when America is at war...."

    Since we're likely to be at war in November 2004...unless you think the War on Terror will be over by then, and the PATRIOT Acts will have been repealed, and so forth...isn't this really a call for the suspension of free elections?

    Or is Racicot merely sliming the memories of Franklin Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln?

    I'm frankly shocked that you would support such a thing.

    And awed.
     
  11. Foosinho

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    Not to rain on anybody's parade, but regime and administration _are_ synonyms.

    But - that's not really a value judgement on my part about Kerry's fitness for the White House.
     
  12. Smiley321

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    Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Excuse me, Bill, are you living in a parallel universe where that is a realistic possibility? I'd say that the trend is heavily in the opposite direction.

    BTW I've got nothing against the flag, but I vastly prefer that US Grant avatar
     
  13. Bill Archer

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    I know. But I can dream.

    I've moved to a more Crewesque theme for opening day.

    "Sam" is not retired. He's just sleeping off a bender.


    1) I take a backseat to no one (and a back seat WITH just about anyone) in my respect for Foos, but regime is not really the same thing.


    2) Rocicot ain't my problem, Dan, but I'm guessing that what he was saying is that while there are troops in the field is a piss poor time for Big John to be mewling about "regime change". America has held elections in wartime, )Lincoln, FDR) and may again sometime. We've even changed administrations while the guns were firing (Johnson).

    We can quibble ( as I've already done here - I love a good quibble) about the meaning of the term, but for most people the term "regime change" implies something other than going down to the firehouse and punching out chads.

    Kerry was going for clever, witty banter. IMO he missed. By a lot. He's a pro, a US Senator, and whether you like it or not you have to be a little extra careful what you say and what words you choose while American bodies are stopping bullets someplace.

    Always been true. He knows that as well as anybody else, or he ought to.
     
  14. pweakland

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Yeah, he ought to. After all, didn't Kerry stop a few bullets in 'Nam while the "Commander in Chief" was AWOL in Texas?
     
  15. GringoTex

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    I hope Kerry just pulled off presidential-hopeful suicide.

    Let's hear it for General Clarke!
     
  16. Bill Archer

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    I'm not sure.

    Is "AWOL" an acronym meaning "was an F-105 pilot in the National Guard"?

    Oh wait, no, "AWOL" is a synonym for "was an anti-war demonstrator at Oxford"

    I remember now.
     
  17. SoFla Metro

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    No, it's an acronym for "didn't show up in Alabama for his duty."
     
  18. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

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    I'm voting for Kerry. Is free speech dead in this country? He could have said a lot worse. Something along the lines of "This country needs a president who can actually read the Constitution".

    It just came to me why Bush is always letting his boys piss on the Constitution, his reading comprehension skills never advanced far enough for him to read it!
     
  19. GringoTex

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    "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."

    -George W. Bush


    "They could sense I would be one of the great pilots of all time."

    -George W. Bush


    "I can't remember what I did."

    -George W. Bush, on the 6 months he spent in the National Guard in Alabama.
     
  20. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

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    Maybe he was too coked up!
     
  21. superdave

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Sure, buddy, sure.

    Just playing with the gimp.
     
  22. Dan Loney

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Hey, Kerry isn't my problem either, yet, until he gets the nomination. But when he says something as crystal with truth and clarity as regime change begins at home, then by golly I'll prop him for it.

    Racicot, by the way, was also slamming anyone who would think of running for president during wartime. He didn't say anything about Kerry's choice of words, he slammed anyone who would have the temerity to question Dubya. Racicot was going for a serious statement, and his screwup is far worse than Kerry's.

    Saying Bush wasn't AWOL is saying like he was sober. Unless the guy was doing secret intelligence James Bond work that year in Alabama, and all the records have been hidden for national security reasons...even then, they could have just listed the guy as doing KP duty.

    I believe he was also grounded from active flight duty, so I suppose he was protecting Texas by peeling potatoes.
     
  23. Karl K

    Karl K Member

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    You and...I dunno...seven other people, maybe.

    He's done, cooked, stick him with a fork.....
     
  24. SoFla Metro

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    Karl said it. It must be true.
     
  25. Bill Archer

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Kerry: Replace the US Government with WHAT exactly?

    Your interpretation.

    "Temerity" isn't the issue here, Dan. It's that the election is two years away. The war will be over in a couple weeks most likely. There was no urgency to what he had to say that couldn't have waited.

    Interesting take. Or maybe bizarre would be a better word. Racicot is an unknown political operative. Kerry is a United States Senator.

    And Al Gore spent a little time walking around with two bodyguards. Clinton was in England burning his draft card. That didn't seem to disqualify him from dropping bombs on innocent Serbian women and children.

    Or innocent aspirin factories.
     

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