PBP: Joe Biden vs Donald Trump :: The Election That Just Won’t End Thread :: [R]

This level of stupidity is seriously mind boggling. How does this guy manage to to tie his shoes in the morning is beyond me.

Ron Johnson said the attorney general should “show everybody” his evidence about no mass fraud because “there’s enough suspicions” and “irregularities” there

Asked if he's not satisfied with Barr's conclusion, Johnson added: "I think there is still enough questions outstanding”

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 1, 2020

 

My wife tried, but over a couple of years period, the relationship with the friends just kind of fell apart (may be other factors). My wife's brother is an evangelical who voted for Trump the first time, but not sure the second as he is not talking to my wife (for other reasons). So. maybe, we are the problem.

 

Most libertarians over here are like the taliban of toryism who think free markets can sole all our problems.

 

If s/he was very, very worried on how corporate power impinges on individual liberty.

 

Aren't more of them worried about 'big gubment', than 'big corporations'?

 

Predictable and hilarious: the 'inner circle' is realizing that the party is about to be over and are awaking to the reality of what could be next for them...

President Trump's associates are making appeals to him in the hopes of obtaining pardons before he leaves office, a source said. The source said that list of associates includes Rudy Giuliani. https://t.co/DkdM8ySS0m

— CNN (@CNN) December 2, 2020

 

BTW, if you haven’t seen the full version of the above, you really should:

"It has all gone too far," Georgia election official @GabrielSterling said while addressing threats against election workers.

"Mr. President, you have not condemned this language or these actions. Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions." #gapol pic.twitter.com/AF86Iy1RJT

— GPB News (@gpbnews) December 1, 2020

The guy is pissed and really doesn’t hold back. I don’t think he goes far enough, tho. Even as he goes after Trump and his Republican allies for failing to coke out against the threats of violent, he still comes across as saying Trump’s claims are legitimate and it’s okay that he’s dragging the election system through the mud for bo reason...

 

In a surprise to no one, NBC is reporting that Trump is going to announce his candidacy for 2024 on inauguration, won’t meet with Biden at the WH, and doesn’t even plan on communicating with Biden.

Per my NBC News colleagues: Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won't attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) December 1, 2020

 

A self-pardon would be unconstitutional. Preemptive pardons would not stop investigations and could be challenged in court.

 

It will not be unconstitutional until 1)a president does it, 2) a DOJ indicts for pardoned crimes, 3)the appeal to the indictment makes its way to SCOTUS, and 4)they make the call.

 

And the current SCOTUS is likely to say it is constitutional.

 

Oh I agree. I’d love to read that opinion. 50 pages of words that boil down to because he’s on our team.

I joked about it earlier...but if SCOTUS says no problem...than this scenario could happen.

POTUS could order the extrajudicial killings of SC justices he doesn’t like and pardon himself and the trigger man. But impeachment? POTUS orders the extrajudicial killing of opposite party house members. Or opposite party senators. Pardons all around.

Allows POTUS to make illegal orders. Allows co conspirators to act with impunity, and allows the President to act with impunity.

I have no doubt that this SCOTUS would still say “yeah but team”. This ruling will be lunacy.

 

That too.

One thing I am going to enjoy about the aftermath of pardonpalooza is watching the nobody grifter little shits that thought they were in with Trump get nothing except federal indictments

 

Remember that Presidential pardons only apply to federal cases.

 

But he was also picked by the Federalist Society because of his adherence to the unitary executive theory. *shrug*

 

The very notion of "preemptive pardons" can't help reminding me of Dante's "Divine Comedy": in it (Canto XXVII), an ancient warlord who had repented and had become monk, Guido da Montefeltro, is asked advice by the evil Pope Bonifacio VIII about the better way to conquer the fortress of Palestrina.

Guido is worried about commiting a sin in a moment when he is trying instead to do penance for his previous sins, towards the end of his life, but Bonifacio says to him: "I am the Pope and I forgive you in advance for any particular sin that you may be going to commit".

Of course, when later Guido da Montefeltro died, the devil came for him and explained to him that there was no thing like "early absolution for a sin that hasn't even been committed yet": absolution needs repentance and you can't genuinely repent for something that you are firmly intentioned to do soon after. So he took his soul and he dragged it to hell for the eternity.

I am aware that the situation it's very different because here we're talking about an actual pardon for frauds that have already been committed, although not investigated yet, but to me the similarity between the two situations lies in the general sense of hypocrisy and in the figure of a powerful individual (the Pope Bonifacio VIII, the president Trump) who believes that he's above all rules, including moral rules regulating human behaviours at a way deeper level that what the human laws formally allow.