jmeissen0's avatar: love it or leave it

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by jmeissen0, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Frankly I ignored most of bright's post. He projected a series of views on me that I don't have. I've been very clear that bright has the right to express himself in most any way and that turning the flag upside down is certainly one of them. I've also been very clear that it's a childish way of expressing oneself.

    It would be like walking up behind a veteran and shouting "Baby Killer!" It might, in fact, be true. He could have killed a baby. But you wouldn't find a jury to convict him if he turned around and knocked you flat.
     
  2. coachklowco

    coachklowco New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Newark Ohio
    Please explain how hanging the flag upside down, a symbol of distress, need of help whatever, is anything like calling a veteran a baby killer?
     
  3. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Ask the people you offend. You want to shock them into thinking and are shocked when they think of you with contempt.
     
  4. coachklowco

    coachklowco New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Newark Ohio
    Ok so just so we are clear, you can't explain how it is like calling a veteran a baby killer right?
     
  5. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Right. And in 2009 you can sit around mumbling, "But we were really, really, really right this time. Why can't they get it? Those people are so stupid."
     
  6. coachklowco

    coachklowco New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Newark Ohio
    See all you had to do was say that you couldn't explain how hanging a flag upside down was like calling a veteran a baby killer. Wasn't too hard was it?
     
  7. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Once I understood that discussing something with you was pointless, no, it wasn't hard.
     
  8. coachklowco

    coachklowco New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Newark Ohio
    Pointless as in you not being able to explain how the two are similar....I agree with you there.

    Seriously give it a go. Show everybody reading these threads that what you said actually had some kinda of point and wasn't you just spewing out the first stuff that came to mind.

    First it was a dirty lawyer trick that gets a guilty man off, now its like calling a veteran a baby killer. Anything else it is like? Do you have some sort of Mad-libs for symbols that you are using for this?

    Do you always find it this difficult to explain your line of thinking?
     
  9. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    My point was that displaying the inverted flag was not intended to be used in the way jmeissen does here or the guy in Marin County. It had a much greater purpose. However, I don't see it as being illegal, just as using a legal loophole is OK to let a bank robber go free or maybe just a kid who stole a bicycle.

    As I said, "So be it." If someone wants to use their freedom of expression that way, it is their choice. They just must realize that it will offend as many people as it may attract.
     
  10. dj43

    dj43 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Nor Cal
    You are proving my point. You see it as a polarizing event.

    I see all kinds of holes in your comparisons above but the bottom line is your message sounds like the little kid who tells his mother that "Jimmy messed his pants so why can't I?"

    If you truly want to take the high moral ground, you don't stoop to that level of debate. It is a loser.
     
  11. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Seriously, why not Beckham now?


    Jim, some of what you say has merit, but seriously, climb down from that cross you have proudly perched yourself upon. It is painfull to see you up there.

    enough with the "hitler" BS.... It simply isn't true.
     
  12. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    It's like rain on your wedding day.
     
  13. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    It doesn't make him look like a jerk or make him look stupid or idiotic or any of the other silly names you're calling him.

    It makes him look like a proud American who is concerned at the direction his country is headed. If that's not a patriotic act, I don't know what is.
     
  14. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    To you, yes, I would guess it makes him look like a concerned citizen. To others that disagree with him, it's offensive. Democracy means talking to people with whom you disagree. Being offensive isn't helpful to democracy. It may make him feel better but it's just to satisfy himself.

    Yet again the Left choses to indulge itself rather than work for change.
     
  15. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    He's not trying to be offensive. He's trying to communicate distress, which is all that an upside down flag represents.


    Why are you offended that he is upset? That's just silly.
     
  16. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    I know what he's trying to communicate. That's fine with me. My point is that's not how he's coming across.

    I bet he knows it too. He should after 200 posts in this thread. The fact that he still does it is what makes him look so totally ignorant.

    This thread started on one topic but some people felt so strong about his avatar the thread got hyjacked and moved. I don't think that's what he wanted. Yet he still goes on and on. Eventually I have to conclude that he is just indulging his feelings. Again, that's fine, but he shouldn't whine about it.
     
  17. Metroweenie

    Metroweenie New Member

    Aug 15, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    What he's saying is, 51% of Americans are either evil or retarded and they're going to destroy this country. And he's using the American flag to say that. To the people he is calling retards, that is offensive.

    I think there are better ways to get his point across than using a symbol that I think should be something that unites the American people. (Wow, that was corny.)

    Also, can there be like a corollary to the Godwin Law that anyone who brings up the first amendment in their defense automatically loses the argument?
     
  18. coachklowco

    coachklowco New Member

    Jan 27, 2003
    Newark Ohio
    I agree as well.

    There are a lot of liberals that bitch and moan about how the country is going. There are also a lot of conservatives that bitch and moan about how the country is going. There are few people on both sides that are doing much about.

    I don't have a problem with people using symbols to express their feelings. I do have a problem with people just slapping a symbol on a car or avatar and then call it a day.
     
  19. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    jesus christ. never has the internet been defined so well. what a waste of everything.
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    HAY GUYS PICTURE POST + CATCH PHRASE OH NOES!

    EDITED POST!!!!!!!
     
  20. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    I never would have thought that the arrangement of a few hundred pixels is something people could get so outraged over.
     
  21. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    i think they're outraged because rumor has it JM gets a little creepy (toucher) when drunk.
     
  22. Hard Karl

    Hard Karl New Member

    Sep 3, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    True Story: this man is from Naperville Illinois. So is Bob Odenkirk and Karl "GODDAMN AMERICAN" Schuster.
     
  23. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    i heard karl schuster hates freedom. and masks his hatred with false patriotism
     
  24. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is really difficult to listen to a Republican supporter complain about offensiveness hindering the democratic process. If you are really concerned about this, could you try applying this filter in a bipartisan manner? I'd love to see your neutral list of perpetrators.

    I don't think you are concerned about general offensiveness. Rather, you are concerned with forcing others to adhere to a certain frame of reality in which the rules always favor your beliefs. Thus, no matter what someone who disagrees with you says, you have some justification for marginalizing their feelings.

    Flag etiquette is a common issue for people like you. It is a symbol, and thus easily subjected to arbitrary projections on your part, and then used as a wildcard in your arguments in whatever way you wish. The sad thing is that you will successfully delegitimize jmesissen's feelings in some people's eyes, even if it is totally irrational.

    Is that what your real beef is, then? That jmeissen fails to give in to irrational perspectives about the flag?

    - Paul
     
  25. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    You're still projecting on me arguments I did not nor would not make. To me, even flag burning is free speech. I think "Republican" efforts to ban it are nothing more than cynical politics. However, I also think people that burn the flag to make their points are idiots. So too with people who insist on turning the flag upside down. No matter what you MEAN it to say, others have their own independent responses. It offends them. They won't get past it and on to your other points like, for instance, Becks in the MLS. It's just a poor means of communication or, in apparently Jim's case, a request for martyrdom.
     

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