Jesus and the Judeo Christian MYTH!

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but the REALITY is Jesus is simply part of the Judeo-Christian MYTH and no more real than any of the thousands of other gods man has claimed over time!

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
There was absolutely no historical evidence that Jesus, Joseph or Mary ever existed, let alone that Joseph was a carpenter or that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.
Despite the lack of evidence for Jesus's existence many Jews have made the tragic mistake of assuming that the New Testament story is largely correct and have tried to refute Christianity by attempting to rationalize the various miracles that allegedly occurred during Jesus's life and after his death. Numerous books have been written which take this approach to Christianity. This approach however is hopelessly flawed and is in fact dangerous since it encourages belief in the New Testament.
When the Israelites were confronted with the worship of Baal they did not blindly accept the ancient West Semitic myths as history. When the Maccabees were confronted with Greek religion they did not blindly accept Greek mythology as history. Why do so many modern Jews blindly accept Christian mythology? The answer to this question seems to be that many Christians do not know themselves where the distinction between established history and Christian belief lies and they have passed their confusion on to the Jewish community. Browsing through the religion section of a local bookstore, I recently came across a book which claimed to be an objective biography of Jesus. It turned out to be nothing more than a summary of the usual New Testament story. It even included claims that Jesus's miracles had been witnessed but that rational explanations for them might exist. Many history books written by Christians take a similar approach. Some Christian authors will suggest that perhaps the miracles are not completely historical but they nevertheless follow the general New Testament story. The idea that there was a real historical Jesus has thus become entrenched in Christian society and Jews living in the Christian world have come to blindly accept this belief because they have never seen it seriously challenged.
Despite the widespread belief in Jesus the fact remains that there is no historical Jesus. In order to understand what is meant by an "historical Jesus," consider King Midas in Greek mythology. The story that King Midas turned everything he touched into gold is clearly nonsense, yet despite this we know that there was a real King Midas. Archaeologists have excavated his tomb and found his skeletal remains. The Greeks who told the story of Midas and his golden touch clearly intended people to identify him with the real Midas. So although the story of the golden touch is fictional, the story is about a person whose existence is known as a fact--the "historical Midas." In the case of Jesus, however, there is no single person whose existence is known as a fact and who is also intended to be the subject of the Jesus stories, i.e. there is no historical Jesus.
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
Another good link: http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

 

Sorry dude. The burden of proof is on the BELIEVER not me and there are ZERO historical references to Jesus outside bible mythologhy! You are talking about a book that speaks of talking snakes, unicorns, and how the earth was created in 6 days among other obvious NONSENSE!

"The bible says so" is not an argument for Jesus' existence any more than it is for talking snakes! Why didn't any of the major historical figures of the time ever write a SINGLE word about his existence? There's also been over 100,000 fake artifacts found in and around Jerusalem of people making stuff up to support the Judeo Christian MYTH!

On top of all that Christianity is clearly dying out in the west since it's no longer spread by force or decree like it was for almost 1,800 years! If you have a true religion you don't need FORCE to spread it but for a scam you do!

 

And yet not a SINGLE historical character EVER saw him! There are no contemporary accounts or eyewitness accounts yet the bible claims he had thousands of followers and was known far and wide!

Plus there are plenty of other gods BEFORE Jesus who had virgin birth and were resurrected! The story of Jesus has been spread by FORCE and BRIBERY and he's the most marketed figure in history but that does NOT make him real!

 

There are stories of THOUSANDS of gods throughout history. So are they all real just because they say so? There is ZERO confirmation of Jesus outside of bible mythology eventhough many writers did exist at the time of the alleged Jesus yet NONE wrote a word about him!



Take,for example,the works of Philo Judaeus whose birth occurred in 20 B.C.E. and died 50 C.E. He lived as the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time and lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once,in all of his volumes of writings,do we read a single account of a Jesus "the Christ." Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's (4? B.C.E. - 65 C.E.) writings,nor from the historian Pliny the Elder (23? - 79 C.E.).

If,indeed,such a well known Jesus existed,as the gospels allege,does any reader here think it reasonable that,at the very least,the fame of Jesus would not have reached the ears of one of these men?

Amazingly,we have not one Jewish,Greek,or Roman writer,even those who lived in the Middle East,much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mention him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary,and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarassing fact!

 

LOL...you DID say "the bible says so". You are citing gospel after gospel which is just more bible mythology! Christians don't like to admit that there actually a lot more Buddhist and Hindu scriptures that support each other. So now you believe in all the Buddhist and Hindu gods?

Josephus and Tacitus both mentioned Hercules as a real person and they thought he existed too! The similarities between Jesus and Hercules are AMAZING and can't be discounted! Remember Hercules came BEFORE Jesus!

To take one example,examine the evidence for Hercules of Greek mythology and you will find it parallels the "historicity" of Jesus to such an amazing degree that for Christian apologists to deny Hercules as a historical person belies and contradicts the very same methodology used for a historical Jesus.

Note that Herculean myth resembles Jesus in many areas. The mortal and chaste Alcmene,the mother of Hercules,gave birth to him from a union with God (Zeus). Similar to Herod who wanted to kill Jesus,Hera wanted to kill Hercules. Like Jesus,Hercules traveled the earth as a mortal helping mankind and performed miraculous deeds. Similar to Jesus who died and rose to heaven,Hercules died,rose to Mt. Olympus and became a god. Hercules gives example of perhaps the most popular hero in Ancient Greece and Rome. They believed that he actually lived,told stories about him,worshiped him,and dedicated temples to him.

Likewise the "evidence" of Hercules closely parallels that of Jesus. We have historical people like Hesiod and Plato who mention Hercules in their writings. Similar to the way the gospels tell a narrative story of Jesus,so do we have the epic stories of Homer who depict the life of Hercules. Aesop tells stories and quotes the words of Hercules. Just as we have a brief mention of Jesus by Joesphus in his Antiquities, Joesphus also mentions Hercules (more times than Jesus),in the very same work (see: 1.15; 8.5.3; 10.11.1). Just as Tacitus mentions a Christus, so does he also mention Hercules many times in his Annals. And most importantly,just as we have no artifacts,writings or eyewitnesses about Hercules,we also have nothing about Jesus. All information about Hercules and Jesus comes from stories,beliefs,and hearsay. Should we then believe in a historical Hercules,simply because ancient historians mention him and that we have stories and beliefs about him? Of course not, and the same must apply to Jesus if we wish to hold any consistency to historicity.

Some critics doubt that a historicized Jesus could develop from myth because they think there never occurred any precedence for it. We have many examples of myth from history but what about the other way around? This doubt fails in the light of the most obvious example-- the Greek mythologies where Greek and Roman writers including Diodorus,Cicero,Livy,etc.,assumed that there must have existed a historical root for figures such as Hercules,Theseus,Odysseus,Minos,Dionysus,etc. These writers put their mythological heroes into an invented historical time chart. Herodotus,for example,tried to determine when Hercules lived. As Robert M. Price revealed,"The whole approach earned the name of Euhemerism,from Euhemerus who originated it." [Price,p. 250] Even today,we see many examples of seedling historicized mythologies: UFO adherents whose beliefs began as a dream of alien bodily invasion,and then expressed as actually having occurred (some of which have formed religious cults); beliefs of urban legends which started as pure fiction or hoaxes; propaganda spread by politicians which stem from fiction but believed by their constituents.

People consider Hercules and other Greek gods as myth because people no longer believe in the Greek and Roman stories. When a civilization dies,so do their gods. Christianity and its church authorities,on the other hand,still hold a powerful influence on governments,institutions,and colleges. Anyone doing research on Jesus,even skeptics,had better allude to his existence or else risk future funding and damage to their reputations or fear embarrassment against their Christian friends. Christianity depends on establishing a historical Jesus and it will defend,at all costs,even the most unreliable sources. The faithful want to believe in Jesus,and belief alone can create intellectual barriers that leak even into atheist and secular thought. We have so many Christian professors,theologians and historical "experts" around the world that tell us we should accept a historical Jesus that if repeated often enough,it tends to convince even the most ardent skeptic. The establishment of history should never reside with the "experts" words alone or simply because a scholar has a reputation as a historian. Historical review has yet to achieve the reliability of scientific investigation,(and in fact, many times ignores it). If a scholar makes a historical claim,his assertion should depend primarily with the evidence itself and not just because he or she says so. Facts do not require belief. And whereas beliefs can live comfortably without evidence at all, facts depend on evidence!

 

LMAO! You have NO defense so you simply say "troll"! The only troll here is the entire Jesus sham and the bible itself which is pure MYTH!

Parts of what I typed is referenced but I did include the link in my original post. Christians like you are just butthurt since you are following an obvious fraud of a religion that is dying out among the educated masses!

Again you or Christians have NO response to the excellent points raised. The very fact that the bible gives no date for Jesus' "return" speaks volumes! The superstitious desert dwellers who wrote the bible didn't even know what a blood cell or bacteria was! They were very ignorant and knew Jesus was a fairy tale and would never return so they never gave a date since they knew they couldn't back it up by making him magically appear!

 

Based on what?? Just because the bible says so? So you also believe the existence of talking snakes, unicorns, and the earth magically created in 6 days is medium to high? LOL

There are historical characters around the time and place of Jesus who never mentioned his existence AT ALL and if anyone would know it would be them! This nonsense of Jesus walking on water has as much truth as Zeus climbing Mt. Olympus! No historical character ever corroborated any of that!

 

Below is an interesting discussion comparing Jesus and Socrates. The case is stronger for Socrates since there are no claims that he walked on water and turned water into wine and other obvious nonsense! Plus he has external corroboration while Jesus doesn't!

Socrates is mentioned in documents written by three people who were alive during his purported lifetime. Whether the three writers worked independently of one another cannot be known with certainty. On the face of things, it is not obvious that any of them influenced the others, but it is hardly inconceivable that they could have. Socrates appears as a character in at least two of Aristophanes' plays. He appears as an interlocutor in a substantial portion of Plato's writings, and he plays a similar role in some of Xenophon's work.[2] Xenophon's material is similar to some of Plato's but not entirely consistent.

There is no primary, contemporary evidence for Jesus.[1] No document is known to have been written by anyone who knew him. Eyewitness authorship has been attributed by church tradition to some documents, but the scholarly consensus is against those attributions.[3] Jesus was purportedly born in Nazareth, but recent archaeological discoveries have concluded that the town of Nazareth did not exist at the time he was to have been born.[4]
The earliest known references to Jesus are in letters attributed to a missionary called Paul. By scholarly consensus they were written sometime around 50 CE, give or take a few years. Their author could have known Jesus but gives no indication that he did. He instead claims to have learned nothing about him except by divine revelation. He does not identify any other source for anything he said about Jesus, and in one letter, to the Galatians, he explicitly denies having any other source.

Paul states that Jesus was crucified. He does not tell us who did it or where it happened. He does not tell us anything about Jesus before his execution — nothing about where he lived, when he lived, or what he did, and nothing about public opinion of the man. Paul mentions no sermons, no healings, no teachings, no exorcisms, no parables, no debates with Pharisees or Sadducees. There is an apparent reference to a meal that Jesus shared with some disciples shortly before his death, but aside from that, Paul seems to know nothing about Jesus' life before his death. Which is to say that as far as we can tell from reading Paul, Jesus had no life — not in Nazareth, not in Galilee, not in Jerusalem, not anywhere in this world.

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Socrates_vs_Jesus

 

Yes, I understand. I always provide the link. I did so in the original post.

 

"The bible says so" is no more evidence of Jesus' existence than it is for talking snakes, unicorns, and the earth being created in 6 days among other nonsense!

Even Christians have admitted the bible is not meant to be historical but meant to spread the religion!