Jesse Marsch out at Leeds, rumored for Southampton job

Yes, but would Arteta have been given the time for his system to come to fruition (this season) if Arsenal were in the relegation zone every season with Arteta in charge? I doubt it.
As for other coaches being fired in the EPL but going on to be successful/getting back to the EPL, my fear is the prejudice against American coaches. I'm not sure too many Top 5 leagues would give an American chance after chance after chance the way they might for a coach from a "traditional" soccer nation. I hope for Jesse's sake he can be like Marco Silva and recover from this latest firing.
p.s. I think Marsch is great at rah-rah positivity but just not good at tactics. If he gets a job again at a top level, I hope it's a Klinsmann/Lowe scenario where Klinsi was the motivational speaker but had Lowe behind him for the tactical nous.

 

Leeds of course does not have the talent of Man U. I just meant that Ten Hag never really had a bad run this year. Just two games at the beginning of the year.

 

I think it's because he's young and because he's good at all the other aspects of goalkeeping. Everyone is in love with his potential if he can become a better shot stopper.

But imagine if they were the ones to bring in Navas on loan and not Nottingham.

 

One thing I was just reminded of - which kind of destroys the "he didn't have enough time" idea - is that due to the Queen's Death break and the WC break, he pretty much had 2 mini pre-seasons to get his ideas across, and he still didn't.

Just think about it. He had a full off season, and 2 1 month breaks to really coach the team and fix the problems, and 1 day ago his final game still featured his team being exposed by a simple diagonal that isolates their LB, leads to a set piece, and the set piece defense is once again the victim of a dumb mistake leading to a poor clearance and a goal.

If mistakes like that are still happening after all that time, then it's on the coach.

 

Tactical superiority seems overrated to me. Way too many examples of winning coaches struggling when the scenery changes.

 

And yet, he's probably the single biggest reason they were relegation threatened last year and a major contributor this year.

 

They are going to need the 49ers to really throw down financially for that one. But worth trying if they think they can make a competitive offer.

He seems to be waiting for whichever big 6 job opens first.

 

I mean I agree with you. They could have cashed in on him (Man U among other clubs was interested), used the money to help shore up the rest of the team and tried to bring in Navas or someone on else on loan.

 

I think England is always going to be the hardest league for an American coach to break into. Whereas somewhere like Germany seems to be more open minded. I could see a Steve Cherundolo getting a shot there in a few years and really running with the opportunity for instance.

 

Honestly, if I were the owner of lower table EPL team, the one place I would absolutely splurge big time is keeper.

I don't know what Navas' wages are -- I assume they are very high. But I'd make something like that happen.

 

If I’m a bottom half EPL team next season and I didn’t have a great shot stopper, I would very much explore whether Arsenal would be open to Matt Turner going on loan.

 

Asking an adult keeper to become a better shot stopper is an equivalent of asking forward to get quicker or CB to grow couple inches.

 

And this is also why the McKennie signing made no sense to me. I like McKennie as a player, but their issues were clearly at both ends of the fields--getting balls into the opponents' net and keeping balls out of their own. I thought they were reasonably good in the middle third of the field. They would have been better off getting a proven goal-scorer or shot-stopper, even if it was just a loan option like McKennie's. That's how you can quickly tilt your actual goals more towards your xG.

 

I like the McKennie signing if you don't look at opportunity cost. And maybe he was the best they could get on loan.

I think he fits well in the sense of providing more defense while also adding some x factor scoring. He can press, he's good in the air, he's surprisingly effective as an 8 in attack. He doesn't really fit with a team forcing the ball through the middle, but the new coach will probably not do that as much. Give him some space to find some holes -- he has passing vision but not the precision.

But that said ... it feels like there were more clear weaknesses out there.

The only thing I will say is this: I do think that perhaps Jesse was actually adjusting tactics with this purchase. The 10 wasn't working, in large part because no one on that team at the 10 was good enough to be a 10 in an offense that crowded the defense that tightly.

Leeds' talent + EPL + narrow field = the 10 basically becomes a counterpresser. It didn't matter if it was Rodrigo or Aaronson or another guy -- the are is too crowded and none of these guys are EPL level 10s, which is an incredibly small subset even with a tactical set really designed for a 10.

So if you aren't getting much out of that, maybe it is time to put someone like McKennie in the midfield and rejigger.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

Panic move.

 

Why would Poch be interested in a relegation battle at Leeds when he's likely to end up at one of the big clubs if he just waits a bit longer... he's not Sean Dyche.

 

I think McKennie's a pretty good player compared to Marc Roca, etc.

So I'm not quite sure why there's such consternation about that signing.

I would question Rutter a lot more. If you need a forward to hit the ground running and score goals immediately to save yourself from relegation..........................do you sign a guy from a relegation threatened Bundesliga team who's scored one goal since August? Its not the time to sign a project. That's a very "Leedsy" signing, when they needed a stud.

[Rodrigo getting hurt and being unavailable really hurt Leeds as well. And, of course, Bamford forgetting how to be an athlete.]

 

He needs Coach Beard.

 

It was mostly explained to you. You're pretending to not understand.

It's not about McKennie in a vacuum. He's not what the team needed to invest their finite amount of $ on, which was help at the front or back.

And Wes is a worse fit next to Adams, who needs Roca to help him in the build-up. Wes is too sloppy. He's a runner off the ball, and on it in space. Musah gets the US out of tighter spaces and advances them for the USMNT. He could play as the 3rd man, but it's limiting their flexibility if they insist on both Tyler and Wes in CM. And he's probably kicking out a quality player.

 

I think the thing with McKennie is they aren't actually spending money on him. He's technically on loan and while I'm sure his salary at Juventus is good, I'm sure it's not exorbitant for an EPL club. And if they do stay up the buy option is doable for Leeds (especially with the 49ers expected to take over the club this summer).

McKennie was an opportunity to bring in the sort of player who otherwise wouldn't have come to Leeds, but was willing to do so because of his relationship with Adams and having Marsch as coach. And it was the chance to do so without having to pay any money up front. So they jumped at the opportunity to add a good player even if it wasn't their biggest need.

 

Yeah.................but he's on loan.

He's actually just cheap depth for this season. If they stay up then they're required to buy, then we can have a debate if he's worth the money.

Bringing him in didn't preclude them from bringing in others.
Spending a club record 36 million pounds on Rutter probably did..................

[Rutter...........a forward who's scored one goal since August.]

 

remember Al Davis - "just win baby".

Sean Payton today at his Denver press conference was pretty clear - his way or the highway - and he referred back to Bill Parcell days.

yes it is cuthroat.

hope Jesse can learn and adapt - it is a marathon and not a sprint after all.

 

Indeed. you're a Chelsea fan.
They've averaged like a new manager a year since 2010.
The majority of whom have better resumes than Marsch.
Many of them actually won things, and were fired anyway.
Coaches in the Premier League aren't given a long time to make improvements.
Every year its now or never.

Many coaches have short tenures in MLS, and there isn't even relegation in that league.

 

His career winning percentage is better than a lot of dudes currently coaching in the EPL. Most of whom I keep hearing are tactical geniuses. He’ll be fine.