Japanese Olympic Football in Beijin 2008 [R]

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  1. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  2. Enclosure

    Enclosure Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    Shuvy can you put Japan NT somewhere in the title just in case, as to create no illusions for trolls of who's team this thread is about :) (then delete this post)
     
  3. Enclosure

    Enclosure Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    As mentioned earlier, as fun as it is watching Sorimachi Japan, they are certainly unpredictable. Couple that with a lack of information at this level, bookmakers naturally have a fair spread on their stakes. Only a couple of weeks to go now, out of curiosity, I've looked up a few.

    For outright winner of the Olympics (in other words who will most likely win the tournament), the most optimistic vs least optimistic were: (with decimal multipliers, and = sign for nations with equal odds to Japan)
    Code:
    [B][I]Bet365				William Hill[/I][/B]
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Argentina	2.87		Argentina	2.62
    Brazil	        3.40		Brazil		3.40
    Italy	        8.00		Italy		8.50
    Holland		9.00		Holland		10.00
    Cameroon	15.00		Ivory Coast	19.00
    Ivory Coast	19.00		Cameroon	21.00
    Nigeria		21.00		Nigeria		23.00
    =Serbia		26.00		Serbia		26.00
    =[B]Japan*		26.00[/B]		U S A		34.00
    Belgium		29.00		South Korea     34.00
    South Korea	41.00		Belgium		41.00
    USA		41.00		China		51.00
    Australia	41.00		Australia	67.00
    China		67.00		[B]Japan*		81.00[/B]
    Honduras	101.00		Honduras	151.00
    New Zealand	201.00		New Zealand	301.00
    
    Further, William Hill had South Korea as "Korea DPR" on the list, so maybe they're clueless on what's been going on.

    Others were somewhere in between:
    Code:
    [B][I]Ladbrokes			Skybet[/I][/B]
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Argentina	1.75		Argentina	2.75
    Brazil		2.00		Brazil		3.50
    Holland		8.00		Italy		8.00
    Italy		8.00		Netherlands	9.00
    Ivory Coast	16.00		Ivory Coast	15.00
    Nigeria		16.00		Nigeria		15.00
    Serbia		20.00		Cameroon	21.00
    Cameroon	25.00		Serbia		21.00
    China		33.00		=[B]Japan*		34.00[/B]
    South Korea	33.00		=Belgium	34.00
    USA		33.00		=USA		34.00
    =Belgium	40.00		=China		34.00
    =[B]Japan*		40.00[/B]		Australia	41.00
    Australia	50.00		South Korea	41.00
    Honduras	125.00		Honduras	67.00
    New Zealand	150.00		New Zealand	101.00
    So they seem to agree that Argentina and Brazil are the most likely, Honduras and New Zealand least likely. The others are spread out in between. Those = odds are interesting too, as Skybet sees Japan alongside China, USA and Belgium with same odds, while Bet365 put us alongside Serbia, above those aforementioned. Then there's the William Hill's 81.00 for Japan, far below them. Overall Japan is being seen to be a "midtable bunch", which is probably a safe stance to take for bookies as they're probably clueless, one way or the other.

    One off tourny like this drives bookies nuts, but it's an interesting and nice pass time viewing. Whether you're glass half full or empty, I think we can all find something here to get a good laugh :)
     
  4. aiueo-redded

    aiueo-redded Red Card

    Feb 3, 2006
    Japan
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    Test Match

    U-23 Japan 3-1 Nagoya Grampus

    Goals: Morimoto, Toyoda, Toyoda
     
  5. larc-en

    larc-en Member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    Wow, thanks for the odds. Hmm, I swear Japan has more than a 1 in 81 chance of winning if theres only 16 teams..

    Toyoda scored two goals in the test match? Before, he seemed to be the "what is he doing in the team?" striker, but now I wonder who will be the starting strikers against USA.

    the starting lineup I would like to see is:

    Lee
    Morimoto (or Toyoda?)

    Kagawa
    Honda K
    Kajiyama
    Honda T

    Uchida
    Yasuda (or Nagatomo?)
    Morishige
    Mizumoto

    Nishikawa
     
  6. Enclosure

    Enclosure Member

    Dec 19, 2004
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    Yeah, William Hill's 1 in 81 surprised me too, but I think they tinkered it for business stragey. Bookies do that sometimes, especially for lower demography. Afterall they won't gain anything from being identical to other competitors. If you see 81 odds you are more likely to put money on it than, say, 30. If you put down 1 unit of your money ($1, £1, ¥200 or whatever) it comes back to you 80 times more. For all practical purposes, they could've given it 1000 multiplier. Sure they'll get into trouble if Japan really does win the Olympics, but given how unlikely that is, you could give it any odds to draw more customers.

    Hmm I'm tempted to put the smallest amount I can on Japan now at William Hill. But wait, I won't because it's just too unlikely :D It'll be funny in a couple of months time Japan turns out to be the winner, I'll probably be crying for not putting down a lot of money ;) If I put down ¥10,000... ¥800,000 OMG :eek: I think their business strategy is working on me.
     
  7. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    edit: disregard, I was looking at a highlight that didn't show the full thing =P
     
  8. Robin777-redded

    Robin777-redded Red Card

    Apr 7, 2008
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    It's a tough group.
    Holland will play with almost their best squad.

    Nigeria is one of the favoruites. Top African teams are always good in youth competitions. Remember who won the gold medal in 1996 and 2000.

    USA is underrated. In the U-20 WC in 2007, they outplayed Brazil.
     
  9. larc-en

    larc-en Member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    will the men's teams games be showing on tv in japan? if so, which channels?
     
  10. k1s3k1

    k1s3k1 Member

    Sep 10, 2006
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    i think only NHK is showing the olympics..
     
  11. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    Dammit, TVU player doesn't have that channel. I don't want to miss Japans matches.
     
  12. tralalarisa

    tralalarisa Guest

    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    from what i read...
    i dont think any channel is showing the soccer games but all of the japanese channels are showing other sports like gymnastics and table tennis, etc.
    i know one site was showing the womens soccer game or the highlights of it but if i remember correctly non of the channels including NHK are showing the soccer games.
     
  13. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Re: The Olympic Football 2008 [R]

    That sounds pretty weird.
     
  14. Magi

    Magi New Member

    Apr 3, 2006
  15. larc-en

    larc-en Member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  16. bomberhead

    bomberhead New Member

    Mar 27, 2008
    Brisbane, Australia
    during the argentina game, someone posted a site in the U23 thread that had the game live on an in-built streaming website, it had a name. can anyone remember it? it seemed quite good and good for a mac user like me :eek:
     
  17. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    justin.tv

    i think. It's hard to find the right channels for games though. It's a bit hit and miss.
     
  18. lilcookie

    lilcookie Member

    May 6, 2005
    choc chip mountain
    hey AKITOD are you sure that the holland v japan game is gonna be shown on SBS i don't see it on their schedule.
     
  19. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    No I'm not sure but this article from au.fourfourtwo.com suggests it is. I had a look and apparently it's Cameroon v Italy or something on that day.
     
  20. k1s3k1

    k1s3k1 Member

    Sep 10, 2006
  21. tralalarisa

    tralalarisa Guest

    i was just on TVU when i noticed that all the regular japanese shows (asahi, ntv, fuji, tbs) werent there...
    is it going to comeback eventually?

    or is there another player i can download that will give me japanese channels?
     
  22. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    dont worry, happens sometimes ;)

    they are off for a couple of minutes/hours
     
  23. larc-en

    larc-en Member

    Mar 8, 2008
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  24. k1s3k1

    k1s3k1 Member

    Sep 10, 2006
    is there a way to stream NHK ??
     
  25. LCS50 redded

    LCS50 redded Red Card

    Aug 5, 2008
    Korea Republic
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=E7309pjOb9g
    I'm disappointed at the racist comments against Lee by Japanese users. :(
    I thought Japanese people got over racism (especially against Koreans and Chinese) after the fall of Imperial Japan. But racism in Japan still exists...?

    PS: Good luck U-23 Japan!
     

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