Japan U-20 vs. USA U-20

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by Shaster, Oct 2, 2003.

  1. Shaster

    Shaster Member

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    This game will play in Home Depot Center of LA in Oct. 8.

    The last time US U-20 played against Japan U-20 was in 1999 WC when Japan had the best team of its history with a second place finish. The score was 1-3 with the only one goal scored by a Japanese-American.

    The current US U-20 had some players who came from the last U-17 who lost to Japan U-17 with 0:1 score. Of course, both of them didn't make through with the other two teams Franch and Nigeria finished one-two in the WC.

    It was a good gauge to see how much US improved in youth rank with a group match against S. Korea (again!). Any one think US and S. Korea will be in the same Olympic group too?

    The current US U-20 team is the first team that good athelets will stay in the soccer sport and not leave for NFL/NBA. The team is comprised by college goalkeepers and defenders with professional midfielders and forwards. Which is an improvement from last time when US U-20 lost 0:1 to China with only 5 professional players.
     
  2. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    If the United States is grouped with Korea again next year, then Korea will surely show its superiority.
     
  3. Shaster

    Shaster Member

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Not so fast. I know S. Korea has very good young stars as Lee Chongsu and Park Jisung who started in last World Cup, but so was USA's Donovan and Beasley. US youth rank are coming so strong right now, here is why:

    In the current US U-20, there are three forwards--Magee--is 18 and has 7 or 8 goals in MLS.
    Johnson and Quaranta who were starting in MLS at 16 and was closely monitoring by Man. U., already have three years of PRO experience at 19. There are two 18 years old forwards--Copper who plays for Man. U. reserve and Karbassyion who plays for Arsenal reserve who even cannot make the U-20 team.

    In the middle, the 20 ys old Convey has 16 caps for senior US Nats, and was denied a work permit for transfer to EPL club Tottemham Hotspur. Also the center d-mid Clark has tremendous potential.

    In the backline, 19 ys old Whitbread is already in Liverpool first team waiting for his EPL debut. Also the 19 ys old Simak plays for Arsenal reserve.

    Those players plus Donovan, Beasley, Buddle, Martino who all play for US NATS now, US can be a darkhorse for Olympics. They are much, much better than full US NAT now. Last time, a 10-men US U-23 less 4 major players beat Mexico 3-1 in Mexico.
     
  4. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Shaster

    I know. The United States will eventually surpass Korea and Japan and then will challenge Europe for superiority in short years to come. BUT AS OF THE MOMENT, we will CRUSH YOU! MUHAAHA. -_-;;

    Peace.
     
  5. Treetaliano

    Treetaliano Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    San Diego
    Yi is American. You can drop the hyphenated bullcrap
     
  6. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eventually? I think that already happened. :)
     
  7. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Especially since Yi is not a Japanese American.
    Marty McFly,

    This is still year 2003. You want year 2103, I presume.
     
  8. babaoh

    babaoh Member

    May 27, 2003
    Anyone know how good the Japan squad is? Do their players play on pro teams? Anyone have the roster?
     
  9. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    what are you talking about skip. Yi is obviously a Japanese name.
     
  10. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    When? Where? How? Oh - right. WC '02 I suppose. Or were you talking about U-17? THey can kiss my butt. Youth soccer doesnt necessarily mean success on the National side.
     
  11. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Honestly, I don't know how good these players are, but all but one play professionally.

    Code:
    GK:
    Eiji Kawashima		1983.03.20	185cm	74kg	Omiya Ardija
    Tetsuya Enomoto		1983.05.02	180cm	73kg	Yokohama Marinos
    Masahiro Okamoto	1983.05.17	186cm	73kg	JEF United Ichihara
    
    DF:
    Shusuke Tsubouchi	1983.05.05	180cm	70kg	Vissel Kobe
    Makoto Tsunoda		1983.07.10	178cm	78kg	Kyoto Purple Sanga
    Yuzo Kurihara		1983.09.18	183cm	73kg	Yokohama Marinos
    Noya Kondo		1983.10.03	180cm	67kg	Kashiwa Reysol
    Yuki Okubo		1984.04.17	177cm	71kg	Sanfrecce Hiroshima
    
    MF:
    Yasuyuki Konno		1983.01.25	178cm	73kg	Consadole Sapporo
    Daigo Kobayashi		1983.02.19	176cm	63kg	Tokyo Verdy 1969
    Satoru Yamagishi	1983.05.03	183cm	72kg	JEF United Ichihara
    Kei Yamaguchi		1983.06.11	172cm	64kg	Nagoya Grampus Eight
    Yuhei Tokunaga		1983.09.25	179cm	75kg	Waseda University
    Yuta Baba		1984.01.22	175cm	64kg	FC Tokyo
    Norio Suzuki		1984.02.14	177cm	72kg	FC Tokyo
    Tatsuya Tanizawa	1984.10.03	175cm	68kg	Kashiwa Reysol
    Yusuke Kondo		1984.12.05	180cm	75kg	FC Tokyo
    Yohei Kajiyama		1985.09.24	176cm	64kg	FC Tokyo U-18
    
    FW:
    Daisuke Sakata		1983.01.16	173cm	65kg	Yokohama Marinos
    Yuji Unozawa		1983.05.03	181cm	72kg	Kashiwa Reysol
    Hirouki Hayashi		1983.10.05	187cm	80kg	Avispa Fukuoka
    Hiroto Mogi		1984.03.02	174cm	71kg	Sanfrecce Hiroshima
    Kisho Yano		1984.04.05	185cm	71kg	Kashiwa Reysol
    Yutaro Abe		1984.10.05	182cm	73kg	Yokohama Marinos
     
  12. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Obviously. Japanese like Lee, Chen and Anderson.
     
  13. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought it was Ryan Futagaki who scored. ???
     
  14. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    home depot? playing soccer in a warehouse? they can pretty much suck on each other
     
  15. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Does someone think Japan and Korea are better than the US is now? I hope not.
     
  16. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    nobody really cares (at least in japan), so don't worry
     
  17. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Good, by the way your name sounds asian but your pic looks distinctly French.
     
  18. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Why? How can you come to such conclusions?
     
  19. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL!
     
  20. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I think Korea's full team and its youth are good, top twenty. But who are their best players now and who are they playing for, Bo is just another player in MLS and was Korea's best player in Japorea. Who are their top youth players and what teams have scouted or signed them. I have heard even less about Japan, Matsui was the best player in his league but once he signed with the best team in the best league he looked just ok.
     
  21. poker123

    poker123 New Member

    Aug 16, 2003
    Well, who were the US' brightest young players? Donovan and Beasley? Where are they now? MLS, right? They're the best players in their league but once they go to the "best" league where will they be? You can shut up now.
     
  22. Tony Cheval

    Tony Cheval New Member

    Mar 17, 2000
    Colorado
    Fixed your post. ;)
     
  23. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    LOL.
     
  24. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda

    Agree with Poker. The US isn't better off than the Koreans or the Japanese. Korea's and Japan's current U-22 squad are products from the clubs' youth development program. Some kids are playing in Europe at an early age and they return home and sign with big clubs in Korea (and Japan). Some stay in Europe. We have one striker with West Ham Untd. Another 17 year old with Spain's Valladolid. Some other fellow playing in Portuguese 1st division. The list goes on. Yes, perhaps teams like Manchester United would like to sign players from the United States but in all honesty it sounds like a marketting scheme to me.
     
  25. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Depends on whether you're talking about the full national side or the juniors.

    The youth side isn't quite as good as the 1999 Youth World Cup/2000 Olympic side, but not many teams are. But we have decent defenders and forwards coming out of the youth ranks. I have no doubt that guys like Okubo, Matsui, Araiba and Abe will eventually be stars.

    And while the full national side has struggled under Zico, they're still in better shape than the US.
    - Shunsuke Nakamura, who wasn't good enough to make the squad of 23 last summer, was the Bronze Ball winner at the Confederations Cup.
    - Ono was named captain of Feyenoord this season (albeit partially because of some high profile exits).
    - Inamoto is a key part of Fulham's resurgence this season.
    - Hamburger SV has struggled so far but Takahara remains the first choice forward.
    - Yanagisawa, Suzuki and Toda weren't exactly stars for Japan but they're all playing in Europe.
    - Fujita and Hiroyama haven't played for Japan in years but they're playing key roles for their clubs in Europe.

    Meanwhile, where are the Americans? Other than the three goalkeepers, US players have made little impact in Europe. Reyna and O'Brien have injury to blame but other Americans have been pretty much invisible.
     

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