He's technically gifted but not quick? If so, then you are right, god only knows. "Probably just as well as Cygan" would be my bet. Better or Worse if he's faster or slower in reality. Nevermind Dellas for a minute... Lehman for Hildebrand? Wow. Bring it on!
Why don't we sell pennant now clearly hes never going to be given a fair shot in our 11. I get the feeling we won't be making a move
Stuttgart president confirms interest in Jens http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=322387&cc=5901
Valencia boss Claudio Ranieri has told his squad that Arsenal midfielder Edu will be joining the club. (Daily Mirror).
Edu given till end of the week to decide thats likie 2 more days http://wwiii.sbs.com.au/home/index.php3?id=53909
Karbassiyoon extends his loan deal at Ipswich. http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?...blid=&Title=Karbassiyoon+extends+Ipswich+loan
What the hell has Jens done wrong? I'm sick of all this bullshit now, Jens is a good keeper and we should do everything to keep him.
or we could suit him up for the reserves till his contract expires.. or just release the sorry sod...
I'm looking forward to the Mad Theory vs. phishy deathmatch. That should settle the whole "Jens" issue.
Let's see if I can put into a mathematical equation for a man of theory... Potato=Carrollesque type bluder -but Arsenal actually pays for the error- And...One potato, Two Potato, Three Potato, Four! Jens does the common things well, but when he messes up...it's GHASTLY.
And what has he done right? The Lehmann bashing has been done to death, but the fact is, Lehmann is a mediocre goalkeeper who pales in comparision to a good goalkeeper like Cech. Do you want us to be a mediocre team?
What has he done right!!! Jeez, here we go again. He kept us undefeated last season for one. A feat no goalkeeper has ever dne before. He mashalled the defence supurbly and was an imposing force in the box. It gave he defence confidence, unlike Almunia. Again, I ask and have yet to be answered. Please name 5 goalkeepers better than him who we could buy to replace Lehman.
Robert Green Van der Saal Hildebrand (cup tied, but better than nothing) Shay Given Gabor Kiraly Some of these players have questionable form(Van der Saal for example), but they are still better than Lehmann. And we have gone through this before already, but how good a goalkeeper is cannot be measured by the number of goals he concedes. We are Arsenal, not Norwich. Our defense is supposed to be a lot better than the teams that concede more goals than us. Green and Given plays in teams that have an absolute joke of a defense, but still they manage to make a much better saves to shot ratio than Lehmann. Last season our form was good and we would have been unbeaten just as long as we have any workable goalkeeper with us. If Lehmann is so good why didn't we win the champions league last season? And why does Man U and Chelsea concede less goals than us? Mashalled the defence supurbly? An imposing force in the box? Gave the defence confidence? I didn't know jumping about shouting at your defenders like a madman counts as mashalling the defence well. Neither did I know that going crazy everytime someone touchs you count as being an imposing force in the box. And if he gave the defence confidence, why was Wenger eager to ditch him? From what I heard everyone in the team was complaining that Lehmann didn't give him confidence. I stand by what I have said. Did you see Cech play? He was an absolute rock, never making mistakes and making save after save that were near impossible to make. Basically the only goals he let in are the ones that are totally impossible to save. Now this is the kind of goalkeeper I want in my team. Lehmann has an absolutely horrible shot-stopping ability and he makes highly questionable judgements. The goals he let in are the kind of goals that a better goalkeeper could have easily saved.
No Ive never seen Cech play....... We could never afford him. Simple. Now for your others..... Robert Green - Looks a great prospect I agree. Probably the most sensible argument to replace Jens in the long run. but at the moment he has had what, 22 games in the top flight? Never played in European Competition? Never been looked at internationally? Maybe as an understudy for Jens for a season and then see how it goes, but he is not experienced enough to come straight in. Van der Saar - Great goalie, but prone to making gaffes like against Henry last year. Not to mention he has just signed a 2 year extension to his contract. I think I said someone who we could buy?!!! Hildebrand - Ok you've already said Cup tied. Do you honestly think its sensible to buy a keeper to play in the Prem and have a different player for the Champions League. If you do, well, I'm worried. He does look good, a good possible summer buy, but can we afford him? Shay Given - Do me a favour. The bloke is at Newcastle for a reason (no offense Mel) He is certainly no better than Lehman. Clutching at straws I think........ Gabor Kiraly - Please check where Crystal Palace are in the league. Then have a check on any of their matches to watch him live. After that, if your still not satisfied, have a quick butchers to see if he is paying with a non EU passport..........
how bout manuel almunia? i think we could get him on the cheap and would make a good addition to our "problem?"
Firstly, I never suggested buying Cech. What I hope is that you will realize that there are goalkeepers out there that are far superior to Lehmann and we are going to be on a losing end if we had insisted on keeping him. Secondly, did you even see Kiraly play before? Don't let Crystal Palace's performance fool you; that guy is an absolute class and he is one of Crystal palace's star player. He is a good shot stopper and Crystal Palace definetely would have been in deeper trouble if not for him. He would be an upgrade from Lehmann. Thirdly, Given would be an huge upgrade from Lehmann. I know that he has had better days, but even today he is a good no-nonsense goalkeeper. Newcastle are fortunately to have him in their goalpost; winout him and with their joke of a defense they would not have acheive what they had in the past few years. I agree that Green is inexperienced, but that is the only thing that is holding him back. Given time in a top club, he will definetely become a top class goalkeeper. And no matter what, an inexperienced Green is still far superior to an experienced Lehmann. And I realize that you can add Niemi to the list.
a) You can't add Niemi to that list. Without wanting to be disrespectful, the vast majority of people who think highly of him do not have accsess to watch him all the time. He's great for the highlights, but thats it...... b) Green is inexperienced, and thats exactly why we can't afford to have someone like him as our No.1 straight away. Keepers need to be bought on, not shoved into the limelight. Look at Almunia at the moment. He has lost confidence, the defence have no confidence in him and he can't command his area e.g. the mix up with Campbell against Bolton. Almunia in a season or two will be ready, like Green. But not at present. Plus I think you will find Norwich will price Green out of the matket if they manage to stay up. c) Yes I have seen Kiraly. Ive even seen him live. Have you? I see him in extended highlights quite a bit on match of the day. Ive even seen him when he played for Hertha Berlin last year. Whats your point? Because if you had seen a bit of him you certainly would not suggest buying him. d) Again, Given would not be an upgrade from a player who has had loads of experience in the Champions League and lots of experience at winning medals. Unless your looking at a different Given trophy cabinet to mine.... Ive seen him play plenty of times at St James and Highbury and he is not as good as Lehman.
1) So I cannot convince you that Kiraly and Given are good goalkeepers. Well, I don't know how to other than to say that we have been looking at different players. They may not be perfect goalkeepers, but they are very good ones. And a lot better than Lehmann. I have seen lots of Kiraly; maybe he was crap in Berlin but as he is now he is certainly a good goalkeeper and I wouldn't mind him in my team. 2) I agree that Niemi is a bit overrated, but he is not bad at all. He reads the game very well and again without him Southampton would have been in deeper trouble than they are in right now. He does occassionally make mistakes, but doesn't Lehmann do the same too?
Watch the 49 games undefeated DVD, the season review of 2003-2004 you will see among a few blunders there are quite a few great saves
1) Correct, you can't convince me that either of them are any good. We need to advance. Given for one has been in the Prem for years. If he was good enough to play for one of the top clubs, someone would of bought him by now. Kiraly, well I really don't understand how you've come to that conclusion. At Berlin he was ok, but he went to Palace for a reason. If he had enough potential, he could of gone to any umber of top sides looking for keepers. 2) Niemi is where he belongs. In a traditional mid table side in the Premiereship. He isn't good enough to get any further than that. Again, if he was the likes of Man U, Chelsea in the UK and other CL sides in Europe would of come in for him. Lehman does make mistakes, correct. Im not denying that. But that is my point as to where the "problem" lies. We have gone through god knows how long of having Seaman at the helm who hardly made any mistakes. Thats because he was at the top of his game and was one of the best. We are used to having a world class goalkeeper. And here comes the reality check, we now don't have Seaman and have to stop comparing any goalie we get to him. We won the league last year, got to the semi's of both domestic cups, got to the Quarters of the Champions League and this year are still in the F.A. Cup, second in the Premiership and qualified top of our group in the CL. I just don't know what more we need to expect from our team? There is no point in panicking and suddenly chopping and changing a winning formula. It would be pointless. The mistakes that people on this board frequently go back to with Lehman are 4 goals. 1) Kiev away. I agree, he was off form and didn't clear. but the whole team was to blame. We played very badly, it was freezing cold and the Kiev fans created an absolutly deafening atmousphere. 2) Chelsea CL away. The goal was Campbells fault. He didn't try and chase down even though he was much nearer. Look at the replays, Lehman did his best and Gudjonnson got lucky. 3) Chelsea CL home. Makalele was lucky. The defence should of cleared much better and should of been more agressive. 4) Panathanaikos CL away. Lehman had to come for both goals. The first was a lucky shot that the bloke couldn't repeat in a million years. The second, Lehman shouted at Edu three times to mark up and he ignored the keeper. The ball was going onto the blokes head and so Jens had no choice but to come for it. I was right behind the goal and everyone heard Jens screaming at Edu. Thats why you won't hear and of the away fans who went criticising Jens for that.......
man i wish the cowboys still had Aikman.. going thru the c'hutch's, the quincy's, the wrights... we just didnt know how good we had it... ohh..... wrong website...
rick, why are all your justifications for lehmann because "you were there"? being AT a game deters me from actually see whats going on than watching it on the tele... if anything, it makes your points less prudent, IMO~
LOL, Phishy mate, ive given up trying to persuade you of Jens good points!! Not all, it's just that if you remember there were loads of comments after the Greece game where everyone hounded him for coming out. I saw the replay's on T.V. and when he was shouting at Edu the camera's, obviously, focussed on the taking of the corner. Therefore if you were going from a TV perspective you didn't get the whole story. Hence I tried to defend him. It was only that one where I believe being there gave a fan a better perspective than watching on TV. The rest of my points come from watching the TV afterwards etc.