James Rodriguez - news & comments

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Uzuriaga, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  2. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    So weird how Colombians hate a player that AT VERY WORST is a top 3 player of all time for us

    and has contributed the most to the national team

    but like people say, Colombians gonna Colombianate
     
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  3. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    It's because he doesn't strive himself to be better when we know he can be.
     
  4. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think his body is shot and he is doing whatever he can to make it to the WC...

    His calf is an inevitability and he can't avoid it flaring up and coaches just won't roll with it like Ancelotti did...
     
  5. Jace

    Jace Member

    Oct 19, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    wtf. I thought he was done there and didnt watch. so was today his last game there then?
     
  6. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    One more midweek and then done.
     
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  7. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Idc

    He's lazy, didn't do shit for half his career and still expects everything handed to him
     
  8. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Even if he contributes 2-3 goals, his fitness will still be questionable. Unless he can play a full game.
     
  9. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Internet soccer rumors be like internet wrestling rumors

     
  10. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    and with all that

    still one of our best players ever who is top 3 in every category for the national team

    goals
    Games
    Assists
    Wins
    Elimination rounds in tournaments

    No matter his flaws, he has earned respect but fans treat him like he’s Duran
     
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  11. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Some club gonna see this and get absolutely FLEECED on a contract lmao
     
  12. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    He's the best Colombian national team player ever, I don't blame him I blame Lorenzo for allowing it and for not designing a strategy to minimize reliance on him as a starter. He's 34 and questionable injury and fitness, accept it and plan for what's best for Colombia James is doing the same stuff for years now at club.
     
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  13. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Even at the club level

    Lucho Diaz is the only one tha rivals him and not yet

    James despite all of his issues was

    Best eleven in La Liga
    Best eleven in UEFA twice
    Midfielder of the year in La Liga
    Best eleven in Bundesliga
    Somehow made a dog shit Everton team look decent and at one point be in CL spots


    With is all he is lazy, he is a diva, he’s this and that

    but we ignore his accomplishments as if they never happened
     
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  14. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    In general the discourse on athletes is so toxic.
    I would agree 100% though I tend to put Falcao up there with James and Lucho.

    Falcao went through a similar thing where post injury people would say awful things about him.

    I think it's about differentiating athletes as people (lazy! Dumb! Etc.) from what they can or can't do on the field (can't play more than 60 minutes, often injured, etc.).

    I've never thought James is lazy. I think he has a recurring injury that limits how often he can play and coaches have increasing transparency to this and aren't willing to deal with it.

    The thing is that he is absolutely able to perform with it as he did at Everton and even Sao Paulo and in Mexico. The guy is brilliant - but I do think that the issues finding teams that will take him has lead to longer periods of inactivity that then make it harder for him to catch up. That's the biggest struggle.

    Id agree with Villus though - it's for Lorenzo to manage how much the NT is reliant on James and building a plan to transition us into the future. He has focused on short term and getting most out of James when the big risk, esp in a World Cup, is what we do when his calf flares up and he is gonna a miss a game or two and we haven't played without him in months, etc. Realistically, we should be starting Arias in his position and then bringing on James in 2Hs (actually just like Minnesota has been doing) and if James is willing to do it in the MLS he would do it for the NT. It just takes us doing it.
     
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  15. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I also find interesting that people who don’t have high work rate are the ones who love high work rate players lol

    I have been working 7 days a week between two cities and I work out twice a day 6 days a week

    and I admire more technique than work rate. I guess because to me anyone can run but not anyone can put a pin point ball in a through ball pass. Yet some fat guy at the bar is like James is lazy!!! He doesn’t run!!!!
     
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  16. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    FWIW, Quintero also had a great night, with a goal and an assist, and he scored in the PK definition. Seems like plenty of our guys are finding their stride at the right moment.
     
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  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Even Sinisterra played 72 minutes.
    It is a miracle.
     
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  18. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    That's a fluke. He'll injure himself walking the dog, the week before the callup is due.
     
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  19. praxis.en

    praxis.en Member+

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    that doesnt really say much about our futbol then
     
  20. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  21. Jace

    Jace Member

    Oct 19, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    the comments that get me are the ones when they ask what he has won with Colombia as if we had some big trophy history before James.
     
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  22. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    gold boot at a WC not being a striker, most assist at a Copa America for a team not really favored to win.

    its like saying Ibra sucks because the Swedish suck. Or the guy from Georgia in PSG is terrible because his NT never going to win anything
     
  23. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  24. colombianballa91

    Jul 2, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't think most people doubt James' greatness, but the issue is moreso the decisions he's made and what can look like a lack of professionalism. I love James & Quintero because they're magicians, but even in their 20s neither could really be relied on defensively. At 35, that becomes a major liability unless the team compensates for it.

    If James isn't sharp, playing him hurts the team. If he's not creating danger or controlling possession, he gives you very little defensively, and now he's slower (may be the slowest dude in the whole tournament) and losing the ball more often. You can already see it in the MLS, and against stronger teams at the WC hose turnovers will get exposed big time on counters.

    I still think Colombia needs both James and quintero because they are our main creators, but neither can give you a full 90. The bigger issue is the team is so dependent on them creatively that I'm not sure we know how to play another way should it fall apart.
     
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  25. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Here’s the middle-ground argument:

    Against Him:

    • He’s lazy
    • He’s a diva
    • He whines a lot
    • He takes advantage of clubs
    For Him:

    • He’s one of the greatest players in Colombian history
    • He has credibility and experience from playing for clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern Munich in Europe
    • His skill and talent are still there, even if his athleticism isn’t what it used to be
    • Clubs take advantage of players all the time, so some people feel it’s fair to turn the tables on them for once.

    All I care about is with or without him, we do good. Even better with him, as it'll be his last dance at a world cup.
     
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