James Rodriguez - news & comments

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Uzuriaga, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    I think this is one of the weirdest things you've ever defended.

    You're admitting James is usually very good at taking set pieces. How does any discussion go beyond this? If someone is good at taking set pieces and the other one is not, the person who's good at them should take them, no? How does the discussion go beyond this??

    Cuadrado takes free kicks for Juventus at times. He is not the designated taker. And now that you've brought up Juve, please show me evidence of him assisting on set pieces for them. If he did, at even a quarter of the rate James does, maybe there'd be a case. HE DOESN'T.

    Qatar vs yellow? Do free kicks and corners work differently in different leagues? Was James not assisting off set pieces for his entire career prior to this, for club and country?

    James' behavior might be reason to not call him up to the team. That's a separate argument. Once Rueda decided to call him up and to field him, what does any of that have to do with the game at hand and--the whole point of this discussion--whether Cuadrado should take a corner over him?

    If you've decided to put him on the field--despite this childish behavior that you brought up--why would you put a restriction on the thing he does that has never been affected by his fitness? Why would you restrict him from doing something that gives us a better chance at scoring than anyone else can?

    And once again, Rueda clearly is not restricting James from taking the set pieces as he took most of them in that game. This is purely a selfish decision from Cuadrado to rob corners from somebody who is far better at them than he is.

    Once again: pure selfishness, poor leadership.
     
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  2. lvbeto

    lvbeto Member

    Jul 27, 2007
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    but but but, the James World Cup goal vs Ivory Coast was from a Cuadrado corner.

    LOL, that's all I kept thinking as I read these comments. But yeah, James should be the corner taker.
     
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  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Whoever takes the free kicks: Can he put the ball in the middle of the area and stop doing the short passes that end up with the ball played back to Ospina?
     
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  4. ryu79

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    In fairness, James has been guilty of that too!
     
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  5. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Cuadrado is not an effective leader if he engages in a tit for tat during a game when James is being re-integrated to the team and is clearly better at set pieces. Its deadly obvious that Cuadrado has an issue with it, if you want to be a good leader you don't put your petty grievance on display in a must win game. I don't care that Rueda has labeled him a leader, leader's lead with their actions and how they unite teams. I'm not saying James is a leader, because clearly he isn't but that doesn't make Cuadrado and effective leader, time and again while we've been completely terrible over Rueda's tenure with no James Cuadrado has gone for hero ball, and its been largely ineffective at times. I don't think Cuadrado is a malicious guy, I think he wants what's best for the team and is willing to give his all for Colombia, but imo he's not doing it smartly and he needs to learn that leaders put the collective above the individual.

    Say what you want about James, and clearly there are major issues with some of his behavior behind the scenes, but when he steps on the field he's not selfish and has shown his whole career that he's happy to help highlight talent rather then needing the spotlight. His game is largely complementary, and his talent is clear so its not like wanting to take corners is selfish its actually far and away what's best for the team and when Cuadrado insisted James let it go.
     
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  6. HomietheClown

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    #10681 HomietheClown, Jan 7, 2022
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    I am just stating facts and there is a reason why Cuadrado in certain moments can take FKs depending on the situation and what they have been doing in practice.
    You were making it seem like he willy-nilly steps up and just hoofs it into the air with no reasoning. Things happen in training and in the heat of the game there can always be discussion on who takes a FK. And he has earned the right to say I can take a FK.
    Whether I like his FKs better or not is another argument.
     
  7. HomietheClown

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    Connecting it all to James (this is the James thread of course.) If he were still captain and he were not acting immature these last couple years...
    ... this discussion probably would not be occurring. That is the main point to take away from bringing up his behavior.
     
  8. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    James acting immature does not make Cuadrado mature or a good leader. I think both of them are not captain material for me. Whoever is your leader should matter at all who takes or does what on the field. Rueda setting a hierarchy of players based on leaders or time in the squad is very poor messaging, whoever is best should play and everyone should do what they can for the team, regardless of their age/status or time in the team. Clearly Rueda isn't managing this well, because he's imo been playing and calling players who don't warrant it based on their level.
     
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  9. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
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    Rueda and james are scumbag.

    Cuadrado is bad but at least profesional
     
  10. J-Mezzy

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    Oct 14, 2013
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    Rueda is a scumbag?
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    When you lead a team as a manager you have to have a process and a way of dealing with players on and off the field. Especially with the rumored locker room turmoil that apparently took place in 2020.

    James was lucky to be even called this last time out let alone have say on what happens on the field. He played like a couple games in Qatar?
    Maybe as things progress he will have more say on what happens but it is just not as easy as saying he is great at set pieces let him take all of them when he only been with the squad 5 days in the last Calendar year and never played for Rueda.
     
  12. pepinointer

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    Mar 12, 2007
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    If he doesnt qualify us.
     
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  13. Froboy69

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    I second this.
     
  14. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    It is just as easy actually, no real reason not to other then ego and Cuadrado wants it to be that way. James and Quintero are just way ahead of Cuadrado on set pieces and if they show up after barely playing they are still better since set pieces other then a specific routine (which we clearly did not have) since it would have been clear who takes them then the best player should take them.
     
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  15. HomietheClown

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    #10690 HomietheClown, Jan 8, 2022
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    James did not even start the Brasil game and was probably questionable in fitness and form to even start in the Paraguay match. In training Cuadrado (most probably) was the guy that took the majority of set pieces.
    Things are more complicated and fluid than just saying well he is better at them so he clearly has to take them all.
    There's other variables and factors and I can see why Cuadrado wants to step up and take some.

    As I said, it is a mountain out of a molehill to complain about such matters.
    We have more issues than complaining about Cuadrado and set pieces.
     
  16. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
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    when we are struggling so bad to score goals

    set pieces might represent our best chance and I’d rather have the players who are world class at taking them do so rather than waste them on Cuadrado because we don’t want to hurt his feelings
     
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  17. HomietheClown

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    It has nothing to do with emotions and feelings.
    It has to do with what he has done in training and in many of our matches this last year.
     
  18. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Do you listen to yourself?

    Whatever they have been doing in practice for a year on set pieces HAS NOT been working. James put it on Borja's head on a corner against Paraguay and the latter put it wide right. It was the best set piece chance since James left the team.

    Resorting to this "we don't know know what goes in practice" excuse--which you use in multiple threads--is such a cop out from a discussion. NONE of us can say what goes on in practice, and neither can you. Stop deferring to that as a reason. We can see the actual matches, and in all of those Cuadrado has never assisted once.

    Moreover, you can't explain the plays we're talking about as being pre-game plans. Cuadrado shook James off a couple times--or completely avoided eye contact with him--and James looked like he would have thrown his arms up in complaint if he wasn't still trying to earn his way back onto the team. Clearly, James was unaware of any designated taker.

    Despite that, he allowed Cuadrado to take most of the corners from the left flag that would normally convene a right-footed player for the entire match. James, even knowing he's the better taker of those pieces, didn't complain about it once.

    Also, whenever Quintero played prior to James' return, he took ALL of the set pieces. Why didn't all that practice with Cuadrado matter then?

    No one agrees with you.
     
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  19. HomietheClown

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    I listen to myself too much and realize that things are more complex than people around here like to chat about. There is nuance and there's things that happen in the heat of the moment during matches.

    Again, James was very fortunate to be called up for these matches, barely played in the first one and was questionable to even start the Paraguay match.

    Cuadrado has earned the right to take a FK if he wants to as a leader on the team.

    I also know that if people disagree they have the right to. That means nothing to me.

    I always call it as I see it. Just my observation.
     
  20. HomietheClown

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    JuanFer took all of them? I do not remember that.

    Also, It depends on the situation and context and if Cuadrado wanted him to take it or not. I will have to re -watch those matches again for proper observations.
     
  21. HomietheClown

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    #10696 HomietheClown, Jan 8, 2022
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    Ok, Quickly looking at the Bolivia match Cuadrado took a free kick and slowly kicked it backwards during one of dead ball situations so that pretty much ends that theory.
    (Right before Davinson made his horrible decision to pass it back to Ospina.)
     
  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    At the very start of the Chile match Cuadrado was fouled and took a quick FK.

    In both of those cases he said give me the ball as if he was in charge and had authority to do so.
     
  23. HomietheClown

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    This one may not count as much cause it was deep in the Colombian half of the field but Cuadrado took a FK instead of JuanFer midway though the first half of the Chile match. Telling people where to go in command.
     
  24. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
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    Enough

    no one agrees with you

    let’s move on lol
     
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  25. HomietheClown

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    This is not a survey or a poll.

    It has nothing to do with agreement.

    Just stating observations and giving my perspective on what Cuadrado does on the field, his responsibilities, etc.
     

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