Had you posted this on the DCU board I'd have closed it and saved you from a boatload of embarrassment. But suit yourself.
By the way, to all holier than thou RedBull fans.....next time we travel to Giants Stadium, be sure and coral and detain the RedBull fans that were throwing magazines and cups at the WOMEN in our group as we were heading for the bus. We would've done it ourselves but the pu$$ies ran like chickens when they realized the Barra was behind them.
we don't want them at Giants Stadium but they keep coming. The incident happened right in front of me. I didn't bring it up when I posted on DC's board last night because I wanted to save the trouble of a thread like this on your board (yes a NY fan saving DC fans from trouble ) It was really the one guy who threw the M80 and then threw something at lfcli's car as we were leaving. He seemed to want something to happen most of the game. I have to give credit to the security and front office people for doing a good job as far as escorting us in and out and doing a generally good job during the game except for that one guy who badly wanted an ESC scarf.
Our group consisted of 1 50 year old lawyer, 4 teenage (16-18) girls, four 18 year old guys, 1 23 year old woman, Shaydee, Binks, four 20+ yr old Metro fans, and a family of 7 from DC who were Metro fans. We're real threatening, eh? Cup vs. Firecracker. No contest. Knave, I'm not embarassed at all, because the only people whom have objected to this are the DC fans themselves, every fan from another team that has chimed in here has agreed with me..go back and read if you don't believe me. That tell you something? Not like I'm the only one who has ever complained about this happening before.
I can't stand the comparisons people are making with MLS and the NFL or MLB. In those leagues, supporters groups don't travel to stadiums and section themselves off from the rest of the crowd. They don't have security escort the entire section out of the stadium at the end of the game. The fans are mixed in with regular home fans and are often sitting with in spitting, beer spilling, and fist throwing distance of hostile fans. Incidents mainly consist of fights between one or two drunken fans who had a bit too much testosterone for lunch. I don't hear about wannabe hooligan groups waiting outside Yankee stadium ready to bottle the nearest group of Red Sox supporters with no instigation on their parts. The situations we have here are different and will remain different. Yes, isolated fights between drunken fans will happen, but what many don't want to see is pre-meditated organized violence against traveling supporters groups. Some may see the incidents of the past few games as petty, but we don't want to see these problems grow larger if MLS becomes more popular.
Yes. Except that you have to think whether or not it is something that is worth the police forces time. I'd be mad as hell if something like that happened but I'm sure the police would kind of not want to have to deal with that, especially when I'm sure there are a lot of other crimes being commited that would seem more worthy of arrest in their eyes. I see them as thinking people getting shot, stabbed, mugged, jumped, and other various forms of violence as more suitable things to haul someone downtown for. I don't think it is right what happened but I can surely see the police as saying that United should just ban the guy because if he is arrested it really won't do anything at all.
Especially since this is DC we are talking about. Seriously this is how I see it. When you guys come up we (ESC, Red Bull Nation, etc.) don't know about the abuse that happens to you. When we come down there you (the Barra, Eagles, La Norte, etc.) don't know what happens to us. The way I see it is that the people that cause the problems have to be people that are fairly regular attendees. They may not be members of respective supporters groups or if they are they may not let others in on it because they understand that both teams supporters groups frown upon any type of violence and aren't afraid to shout their own fans out. But if they are going to be passionate enough to harass the traveling supporters they have to be fairly regular. Listen, I respect the DC groups. To be honest, to a point I envy what you have down there with your players and front office. But sometimes it goes too far. And throwing M80's that hit teenage girls is too far.
I really can't think of any violence we created last night. We might have chanted or sang some songs that may have been directed at certain people that taunted us but that was about the extent of it.
Shaydee, I feel exactly the same way. It's not like you were going after a group of people who were able to defend themselves like what happened the first time round. That time, it was a fight yes, but there were no teenage girls inolved (save for lefty, but I don't even know if she counts). I can't say I was completely innocent in that altercation becuase I did help a friend out who was getting ganged up on, but the point is, they went after people who were at least able to defend themselves. People can come after me all they want, it's not like it hasn't happened before. But for gods sake, why the hell do you have to endanger a group of teenage girls just coming down for a game? That's completely classless..there's no defence for it. And Shaydee, you're completely right..it's not like we did anything to provoke. We sung our usual songs, chanted our usual chants, and just left with security. We didn't even leave the god damn section during the game! Security had to walk us everywhere. In all honesty, if the girls weren't with us, I wouldn't have made as big a deal about this as I have so far. C'mon man, that's just plain ********ed up.
As a woman who is a member of the Barra Brava, who regularly attends home games at RFK as well as road trips to NJ (I missed this last one, but I was part of the group that had magazines and cups thrown at us as Chico mentioned previously) - I have to tell you that this emphasis on the fact that having women present made it that much worse really irritates me. On that road trip, a person covered in ESC gear was clearly trying to pick a fight with me as we made our way out of the stadium. You know, I don't care if you are a man or a woman, either way you can be concerned about fan safety *if* that is truly your concern. Don't lay these lines out there that make women who go to matches out to be damsels in distress that you have to protect. We're a lot stronger than you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BcxIUoTa6I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=912POqXamf8 (just to add to the good quality discussion )
why you brining past shite up? thats been dealt with, now move on. nothing to see here. and our FO has stepped up both times now.......what else do you want us to do? we cant do anything about random ********ers that we dont know.
Please, if they're from Jersey that's not even the most dangerous thing that's ever exploded by their face
I added the pseudo-sarcasm smiley afterward dude, as if "good quality discussion" wasn't enough of a giveaway.
Lobbing M-80s into a crowd of people would seem to qualify to me. If he'd done it at a group of fans leaving a bus station, train station, or airport, it be in all the headlines as they investigate whether or not it was an "act of terror". Lobbing explosives into a crowd of people isn't the same as the drunk guy in row 5 pouring a beer over the drunk guy in row 4.
If that "documentary," and this entire discussion proves anything, it's that provocation begets provocation. The 'supporters' need to be the first to end this crap before any blame is placed on security, front offices, etc., and judging by the comments in this section and the videos posted in this forum, that's not likely to be the case. The Magpie
Jeesus, 9 pages of talking about an asshole who lobbed a firecracker at a group of traveling supporters? Was the asshole wrong for what he did? Hell Yes. Did he deserve to catch a beating? Hell Yes. Can all of us who attend matches at RFK control all of the random acts of stupidity and moronic behavior that happens in the stands/outside the stadium? Uh...no. I have been to just about every home match this season, and I was sitting about a section to the left and a section in front of you guys. I have never been witness to any problems at RFK, ever, that have included members of Barra, La Norte or the Eagles. To blame those groups, is not only wrong, but is irresponsible. After the first match of the season and a dim wit who did punch one of your people fessed up about it, the Eagles booted his ass out of the group and sent everyone an email axplaining the zero tolerance policy. These groups do not condone violence and do not go to matches looking to fight. I am wondering why we haven't heard of any events happening from the Crew fans that show up at RFK for the Columbus matches, for example? Why is it only the New York supporters? I for one welcome you and all traveling supporters to RFK. From an overall MLS view, we need more traveling supporters showing the clubs the support. They are good for the clubs and for the league. the randoms stupid acts of one or a few assholes should be reported and dealt with, but the blame should not be heaped on the supporters groups, especially when they have already proved in the past that they will not stand for things like that to happen to anyone. On a different point, the RFK security is just about as good as the CIA are at gather intelligence.