I've HAD IT with DC fan violence

Discussion in 'MLS: Rumors' started by lfcli30, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    Just like the band of hoolies that invaded the ESC at the last match at the swamp (turned out to be two adults looking for some kids back pack) I call bull shit on this latest complaint.

    If you want to, feel free. Then you'll have a ligit beef over getting your asses kicked. :rolleyes:
     
  2. slimjim21591

    slimjim21591 New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    yep its just a fan rivary ... and i y listen to a RBNY fan complaining until RBNY can actually win and get desent attendence
     
  3. jgildea8

    jgildea8 New Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Capitol Hill
    Your group was surrounded by security the whole game. I am not sure what else RFK could of done, and the firework was out side from a fan that they did in fact throw out, so action was taken.
    Did security escort you out after the game?
    It sounds like the same guys as last time. If you don't like it don't come back.
    We won't miss the revenue from 20 tickets you bought at a discount.
    I don't suggest coming into the Barra to start anything (especially since these guys are not members), but if you decide to you should bring something more than fireworks. We play with those in our own section.
     
  4. The Prophet

    The Prophet Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    Big P, Texas
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Everyone should be able to enjoy the game without getting hassel. We do not live in 3rd world country were they have fences to keep fans from killing each other.
     
  5. jgildea8

    jgildea8 New Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Capitol Hill
    They had a scarf stolen that was later returned by security...
    this is not exactly the crime of the century!
     
  6. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those damn "rouge" members causing trouble again!

    [​IMG]
     
  7. John_Harkes_6

    John_Harkes_6 New Member

    Mar 29, 2000
    Baltimore, MD.
    First it was the supporters groups (SE/BB/LN) are responsible
    Then it becomes they have over 1,000 members so they can't be responsible for all their members

    And finally, now it is apparently a skinhead not associated with any of the three groups.

    Not saying what happened to you wasn't bullshit but you sound like a whiny little bitch that can't even keep the story straight.

    And as to a zero tolerance policy - one of the involved parties from the home opener had signed up to be an SE the day of the home opener. After the story surfaced that members membership was revoked.
     
  8. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
    Do they have those in Italy?
     
  9. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
    Takoma Park, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy is not a third world country!
     
  10. JayKay

    JayKay New Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    NJ
    Let's all stop it with the "when we come up to Giants Stadium we get the same treatment" crap. We've got a problem here at both stadiums.

    NOBODY should fear for their saftey when traveling to RFK, Giants, or any other MLS stadium for away games.

    I decided not to travel all the way down to RFK last night because I had the feeling there would be an incident. Having been been spit on in the stands and punched in the face by a supporter during the "incident" back in April was the last straw for me until MLS makes an effort to clean up what's happening (Both at Giants and RFK). You can call me a wimp, or not hardcore or whatever, but I don't want to have to prepare myself for a possible fist fight every time I go to a soccer game.

    Sure you can laugh about how an M-80 can't really do much (besides hearing damage), but the intent by someone to go out of their way to cause yet another incident in this "rivalry" is disturbing.

    It's sad that the security being provided did little to stop these incidents. Last April I had security guards just behind me when the fighting broke out in the parking lot. There were escorting us out, and this stuff still happened.

    You can say anything you want and try to take this thread in a different direction, but the fact remains that we are building a history violent incidents both at RFK and Giants Stadium. I only worry that as MLS grows in popularity and draws more fans to the game, we don't get an increase in the number and intensity of these incidents.

    And lets not compare this league with the violence that happens around the world and say "oh what are you complaining about! If you think that's bad, just take a look at....."

    Hey, guess what? We don't live in Ecuador, or Brazil, or Argentina. And we shouldn't have to put up with violence. Period.

    It might sound like overkill to many fans, but away supporters should have a seperate fenced in tailgate area, a seperate entrance and security dedicated to keeping the fan groups from coming in contact with each other. It's sad that it may have to come to this, but with "rivalries" like DC/RBNY you can see that it's sorely needed or these incidents will increase.
     
  11. dcchelseafc

    dcchelseafc Moderator
    Staff Member

    DC United
    Sep 2, 2005
    Naptown
    Club:
    DC United
    and as said before MANY MANY times that skinhead and his freinds HAVE NO PART OF OUR SUPPORTERS GROUP so

    STOP TALKING SHITE ABOUT OUR GROUPS!
     
  12. jgildea8

    jgildea8 New Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Capitol Hill
    You do not have to compare it to other countries. Do you go to Jets games? Eagles games? Raiders Games?
    I am sorry that the incidents occured, but there is nothing that we on the boards can do to stop it. All we can do is make a huge freaking deal about it, and talk big from the protection of our key-boards. Neither of those things help.
    The supporters groups have done a good job of gaining the support and respect of the officers at RFK which (believe it or not) did not happen by accosting opposing fans.
    We are defensive of this turning into a smear campaign against us when we have no more control over it than you do.
     
  13. JayKay

    JayKay New Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    NJ
    He just clarified his statement about your supporters groups. I think his point is that since the Front Office and Security can't seem to take what's happening seriously maybe the Supporters Groups can do something stop these incidents.

    I'm glad one of the "skinheads" who wanted to become a member of SE had his membership revoked. That's a positive step that I'm sure many were not aware of.

    It seems like this group of troublemakers is well known by the DC supporters. There is little Red Bull fans can do to make RFK more fan friendly, but I'm sure your supporters groups can do something to keep these troublemakers from attending games or at least pointing them out to security so they know who to keep an eye on.
     
  14. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    sounds funny :)
     
  15. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
  16. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    they are :D
     
  17. JayKay

    JayKay New Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    NJ
    Um no, perception may have become reality in this case, but the two adults and some kids looking for their backpack happened during the first half, and was not considered an incident.

    A larger group of DC fans came to 101 during halftime (why? who knows) and was considered an incident.

    These are the facts, let's not make stuff up.
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And if all the other kids' parents let them jump off a cliff, that doesn't mean you get to, too.

    Seriously, violence in stadiums is something that needs to have a zero tolerance policy - regardless of hyperbole or reckless accusations.
     
  19. jgildea8

    jgildea8 New Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Capitol Hill
    OK...
    But this thread is still pointless and stupid.
     
  20. fireman451

    fireman451 Member+

    Jun 26, 2002
    The Midwest
    Club:
    --other--

    Actually, one of your guys did start a thread in the Chicago Fire Forum about it . . .so yes, it was posted and we were blamed.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385614

    Just sayin' :)
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Sorry, but I disagree. Anytime a firecracker or M-80 is lobbed at other patrons at a soccer game in the United States, it's a sign that something has gone wrong.
     
  22. jgildea8

    jgildea8 New Member

    Feb 22, 2002
    Capitol Hill
    That would be the "ok" part of my post.
    I agree that it is f'ed up, but what is going to be done here? That is my point.
    Security was provided in the stadium, and they were walked out by security, and some of our supporters went over and greeted them.
    Nothing can be done here except a lot of talk about a firecracker and a scarf.
    People keep saying that "something must be done!"
    But what? I think it fits into rivalries because nothing is being fixed here, and nothing ever will be. Just a lot of talk about how crappy DC and its citizens are. Nothing constructive.
    You cannot control 100% of the people all of the time, and the guy was kicked out! He was outside the stadium!
    Are we responsible for escorting people all over the city?
    His membership was taken away and they are not welcome in the supporters section. That is what we can do and have done. What next step are you suggesting? That we beat them up?
     
  23. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I compared it to the NFL...like it or not people are territorial about sports and go to stadiums to be part of that group cheer mentality, when fans are against you and there is alcohol involved, bad shit happens.

    Dirty Mets fans invade Philly every year, are there incidents, you betcha
    Stinkin Giants fans come to the Linc, are there beatings, you betcha
    Even Islander and Ranger fans fight each other
    Come on man, you know you like sports for the passion, testosterone induced fun, mixed with alcohol or stupid people, some times leads to bad things happening.

    I don't condone it, but I expect it - unfortunately, the people who caused the problems which we are all fighting about are unlikely to read this. They are more likely to have come to the stadium looking for a problem or as a casual who got pissed off seeing a New Jerseyite in their city.
     
  24. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    DC United F.O., Stephen Zack posts:

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    I also want to make everyone aware that another incident took place last night when someone decided it was a good idea to throw M80s at the visiting Red Bull fans. That person was caught and has been banned from the stadium and he is very lucky he was not arrested. We cannot and will not tolerate that behavior.
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    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9401199&postcount=1
     
  25. ZoomZip

    ZoomZip Member

    Jun 20, 2005
    Crystal City, VA
    Everyone in this thread should read the post linked here. More evidence that our Front Office, and our fans, get it. I will put the performance of DC's front office against any other MLS Team's FO in the nation in terms of not just taking care of their own, but willing to do the right thing.
     

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