Italia vs Germania quarter final

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Marco Delvecchio, Jun 27, 2016.

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  1. Cazlon

    Cazlon Member

    Aug 17, 2005
    Pretoria/Berlin
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Good point.
     
  2. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007

    Dage, even though you support teams that I really oppose, like Germany and Bayern, you are one of my favorite posters. You are very respectful to the opposition mostly. You only seem to have trouble with the Real Madrid fans, lol.
     
  3. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I thought he's a Gladbach fan
     
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  4. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Candreva was ruled out. It is looking like De Rossi won't play either. We lost Marchisio, Verrati, and Montolivo before the cup. We are left with the horrible Thiago Motta who is thankfully suspended.

    How can we beat Germany with this decimated midfield??? :(
     
  5. Saint Miccoli

    Saint Miccoli Member

    Feb 6, 2016
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    We have to pray
     
  6. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We can do it. At least the players we have care and are really gonna try hard.
     
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  7. Star-Lord

    Star-Lord Member+

    Aug 10, 2014
    Uranus
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Conte should look to a formation change maybe.
     
  8. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hehe, I don't support Bayern, I'm fan of the mighty VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach and my local club 1. FC Union Berlin. ;) thx!
     
  9. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Based on his time at Juventus, he's really stubborn and won't make wholesale changes ever. We might see a slight deviation in player roles, meaning a 3-5-2 which morphs into something different.
     
  10. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    uh, just because its a set-piece and not from open play does not mean it isn't a cross.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Most of our crosses from open play are with few numbers in the box and come from our FBs, who aren't good crossers. This is worth distinguishing from our set-pieces, which feature decent numbers in the box coming from one of the better set-piece takers in the tournament; Kroos. One is a high-efficiency, dangerous outcome for us in possession, and the other isn't.
     
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  12. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Is your side quicker than Belgium? No. Therefore it will be difficult for you to get in and behind Italy if they shut down the spaces.
    Is your side technically stronger than Spain? No. Therefore it will be difficult for you to pass/create through a tight defence.
    Width and height are the key to breaking this defence down. Width b/c its a weakness of the 3-5-2 and height b/c when the ball is in the air in the box anything can happen.
    I agree. I'm expecting Germany to be more like Belgium than Spain. When Italy went forward with numbers and lost possession Spain, being Spain, were slow in building attacks which enabled the Italians time to get behind the ball. However whenever we lost the ball in attack v Belgium (b/c Belgium are extremely dangerous running at pace into space), the Italians took the professional foul rather than risk anything developing. So yes this is where we are vulnerable b/c you will transition into attack quickly. So whilst they will be fully aware of this risk it still is a concern especially b/c of Italy's high YC count.
    Speed is a factor of this Italian team. Florenzi, Giaccherini, Sturaro, De Sciglio, Parolo. This likely 5 man midfield are all either fullbacks, wingers or box-to-box mids. The Italy of 2012 was packed with midfielders who were strong at passing the ball around. Montolivo, Pirlo, De Rossi etc. This team is built around a very different philosophy: very rapid transitions from defence to attack.
    If Italy was worried about the oppositions strength on paper they would have barely made it out of the group.
    The Spain and Belgium matches were fantastic encounters. I expect a similar outcome.
     
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  13. Pietro Calcio

    Pietro Calcio Member+

    Jul 28, 2007
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #138 Pietro Calcio, Jul 1, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2016
    Dage I've always been curious and if my post offends you then I apologize , but are you both an ethnic german and national german....or just a national german?

    Not that is matters.... but the reason why I ask is someone here in the Italy board called you a fraud once saying you didn't even know what the abbreviation DDR in Deutsch meant and it seemed odd to me why he'd say that? I didn't know what to make of that or why he said that and if he was perhaps a troll himself?.....I forgot who said it....I would have to go back about 6 years to find the post.

    This happened when you were talking about how the 1934 WC wasn't legit when answering one of my posts in the WC thread.....remember?
     
  14. GIGI RIVA

    GIGI RIVA Member

    Fiorentina
    Canada
    Aug 24, 2009
    Guelph Ontario
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    LESS THAN 24 hours to gametime
     
  15. GIGI RIVA

    GIGI RIVA Member

    Fiorentina
    Canada
    Aug 24, 2009
    Guelph Ontario
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Hummels amd Boetang are solid but can be beaten by smaller type forwards. But nonetheless they are very solid.
     
  16. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I really don't remember that but it's not a far stretch to think if a world cup in that time with that conditions could have been influenced by officials. But whatever we will never know for sure, the same like the rumors about doping in the German team of the 50s and the Netherland 's of the 70s. Personally I was born in the DDR in Berlin and also suffered of the dictatorship 's kid associations when I went to grammar school in 1989. So I really don't know what the guy was talking about. Cheers
     
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  17. Pietro Calcio

    Pietro Calcio Member+

    Jul 28, 2007
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #142 Pietro Calcio, Jul 1, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2016
    sorry to hear that mate

    what was the climate like in East Germany when they managed to beat the West Germans in the 1974 WC? They got as far as the 2nd group that WC.....they did well in the 70's

    also narrowly missing the 1970 WC and 1978 WC in qualifying.....2 pts shy in 70 and 1 pt in 78

    if you were too young too remember what did your elders think?
     
  18. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Balotelli scored 2 goals on those goons in approx 30 mins
     
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  19. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Hummels-Boateng are better than simple "goons". And for the record, Balo scored on the Hummels-Badstuber pairing, not Hummels-Boateng.
     
  20. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Depends on your definition of goon.

    Both of those goals were Balotelli v Hummels though right? In any case, Pelle is a very different challenge to Balotelli.

    Is Boateng > Badstuber?
     
  21. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What's your definition of goon then?

    Balotelli overpowered Badstuber for the first goal after Hummels overplayed on Cassano. Balotelli's second goal was a sprint against Lahm on a counter off a set-piece.

    Absolutely Boateng>>Badstuber. I don't know if you've watched any Germany games in this tournament, but Boateng has probably been our best player, full stop.
     
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  22. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't even want to know what my blood pressure is right now...Any word on DDR?
     
  23. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Looks like Sturaro starting with DDR fit for the bench
     
  24. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Sturaro is getting the start
     
  25. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Hummels and Boateng are top defenders. I wouldn't call them "goons". I don't even know in what context they'd be "goons"
     
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