Israel/Palestine in the News, Part II

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  1. Schnorrer

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    meanwhile in other news....:D

    How Israel could revolutionize the global energy sector

    By DORE GOLD
    03/11/2011 17:04

    New data suggests Israel may not only have much larger gas resources than believed, but also the 3rd largest deposit of oil shale in the world.


    Libyan oil accounts for less than 2 percent of world oil production, yet the revolt against Muammar Gaddafi has managed to shoot up the price of oil to more than $100 per barrel in the last month.

    No one knows how long the internal instability in the Middle East will last, but according to the US Department of Energy, its share of the world’s total oil supply is expected to actually increase in the years ahead.

    Simply, the world is using up the reserves of non- Middle East oil more quickly. Moreover, of the trillion barrels of proven reserves still left, according to the CIA roughly 800 billion barrels are to be found in the Middle East and North Africa, especially in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq.

    The implications for Israel of the West’s growing dependence on Middle Eastern oil are troubling, for obvious reasons. Yet there are two new developments in our energy sector that could well offset these trends and eventually alter our standing in the world, especially with respect to Europe.

    First, the gas discoveries in the Eastern Mediterranean, which began to produce commercial quantities of natural gas in 2004, are generally well-known. The Tamar field, which should begin production in 2013, is expected to supply all of Israel’s domestic requirements for at least 20 years. The Economist suggested in November 2010 that the recently discovered Leviathan field, which has twice the gas of Tamar, could be completely devoted to exports.

    All the undersea gas fields together have about 25 trillion cubic feet of gas, but the potential for further discoveries is considerably greater, given that the US Geological Survey estimates that there are 122 trillion cubic feet of gas in the whole Levant Basin, most of which is within Israel’s jurisdiction.

    After the Leviathan discovery these numbers could go up further. Perhaps for that reason, Greece has been talking to Israel about creating a transportation hub for distributing gas throughout Europe from the Eastern Mediterranean that will come from undersea pipelines.

    What is less well-known, but even more dramatic, is the work being done on this country’s oil shale. The British-based World Energy Council reported in November 2010 that Israel had oil shale from which it is possible to extract the equivalent of 4 billion barrels of oil. Yet these numbers are currently undergoing a major revision internationally.

    A new assessment was released late last year by Dr. Yuval Bartov, chief geologist for Israel Energy Initiatives, at the yearly symposium of the prestigious Colorado School of Mines. He presented data that our oil shale reserves are actually the equivalent of 250 billion barrels (that compares with 260 billion barrels in the proven reserves of Saudi Arabia).

    Independent oil industry analysts have been carefully looking at the shale, and have not refuted these findings. As a consequence of these new estimates, we may emerge as the third largest deposit of oil shale, after the US and China.

    OIL SHALE mining used to be a dirty business that used up tremendous amounts of water and energy.

    Yet new technologies, being developed for Israeli shale, seek to separate the oil from the shale rock 300 meters underground; these techniques actually produce water, rather than use it up.

    The technology will be tested in a pilot project followed by a demonstration stage. It will be critical to demonstrate that the underground separation of oil from shale is environmentally sound before going to full-scale production. The present goal is to produce commercial quantities of shale oil by the end of the decade.

    This particular project has global significance.

    For if Israel develops a unique method for separating oil from shale deep underground, that has none of the negative ecological side-effects of earlier oil shale efforts, that technology can be made available to the whole world, changing the entire global oil market. The effect of the spread of this technology would be to shift the center of gravity of world oil away from Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf to more stable states that have no history of backing terrorism or radical Islamic causes. (In the Arab world, Jordan and Morocco have the most significant oil shale deposits.) WHEN WILL the West begin to treat Israel as a powerful energy giant and not as a weak client state that must be pressured? In the case of the Saudis, when the US realized the true extent of their oil reserves, after America’s reserves in Texas and Oklahoma were depleted by World War II, it sought to upgrade its military and diplomatic ties with the Saudi kingdom even before its production capacity was fully exploited. The US-Saudi connection grew as massive infrastructure investments for moving Saudi oil to Western markets were made, like the Trans-Arabian Pipeline (TAPLINE).

    More capital was needed for the Saudi oil project. US companies, like Standard Oil of New Jersey (today, Exxon) and Standard Oil of New York (Mobil), joined Texaco and Standard Oil of California, the original holder of the Saudi oil concession, and created the ARAMCO consortium in the late 1940s. ARAMCO executives came to be regular guests at the State Department, where they could present the Saudi perspective.

    In time, Saudi Arabia’s status grew as its future position in world oil came to be appreciated.

    In the case of Israel, updated international reports verifying the true dimensions of both its undersea gas and oil shale should be forthcoming in the next year.

    Many more international companies are likely to take an interest in its energy sector at that time. Moreover, the full exploitation of these energy resources will require massive infrastructure investment for pipelines, liquified natural gas plants and new oil exporting outlets in the Mediterranean and Red Sea.

    Israel is uniquely situated by its geographical position and is able to direct its energy exports to either Europe or China and India. It may not have the capital to build this export capacity, but the involvement of foreign investors in these projects will give European and American banks new interests in developments.

    Western policies will not change overnight. Nonetheless, Israel needs to tell the full story of its newly emerging role in the world energy sector if it wants to begin to alter the way it has been handled internationally.

    The writer is president of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs and served as ambassador to the UN.


    http://www.jpost.com/Features/FrontLines/Article.aspx?id=211676
     
  2. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    Thanks!
    However, you violated ToS by cutting & pasting the entire article! :D
    I hope this is true! Then, Israel might have enough money to pay compensation to all Palestinians whose property has been confiscated and imdenify all the Jews whose property in the Muslim world was confiscated over the same time period! I just hope there's no money left for the settlers & the ultra-Orthodox spongers.
     
  3. Schnorrer

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    sue me....

    why should Israel give money to jews when it was the arab/muslims who kicked them out of their own countries and stole their properties??? and btw Palis will get compensation when i also get compensation from the crap my grandparents taked in Europe, btw i bet USA didn't give compensations to Mexicans in the war u taked half of Mexico...so why should Israel give money to the people who STARTED the war? :rolleyes:
     
  4. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    Sigh ...
    All I'm saying is, should there be a pot of gas money, divide it between the two groups which have been victimized, Jews & Muslims alike, and don't give any to the two groups who are not victims, just leeches, the settlers & the professional student Haredi.
    You should also know that Mexico only became an independent country in 1821, Texas became mostly Anglo in the 1820s & declared its independence in 1836. The rest was remnants of the Spanish Empire, populated by native tribes, not Mexicans.
     
  5. Real Corona

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    The Tejanos would like to disagree with you.
     
  6. odessit19

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    so who would pay for the 500K+ Jews forced to exile from Arab/Muslim lands based on this sudden "cash" inflow? Israel?
    It's silly to discuss things that are not there yet, but if the gas is found in Israel on Israeli land, why would it not be the gov't of Israel deciding who this money should go to - settlers, Haredi, sabra, olim, religuious, not religious, etc - i am not following your logic here.
     
  7. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    Well, it started off as a joke, but apparently I've seriously misunderstood the sense of humor of several members of this forum.
     
  8. odessit19

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    you picked the wrong thread for humor and satire ;)
     
  9. JBigjake

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  10. odessit19

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    I disagree with the author's POV - when BBC and other international news organizations present this news story as 5 Settlers are murdered and knowing how much settlers are vilified, not seeing the entire picture is a travesty. I do not think it's appropriate to show these images from one POV as it is too much, but when Israel is dealt blow after blow in media matters as the Arab propaganda machine does a much better job than Israel, desperate times call for desperate measures. It is a very difficult subject and i lean both ways as from a personal POV i would hate to show these images, but i can understand it as well.
     
  11. JBigjake

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    Nov 16, 2003
    I was more interested in the other parts of the article. We do know that graphic depictions inflame, and that they are more typical in Arab than western media. Having seen enough gruesome crime scenes & photos in my lifetime, I'm not interested in seeing more. I was moved by Motti's comments over an open grave, as they relate to this forum, that he just wanted to play soccer with his younger brother again, instead of commenting on a situation which appears incapable of rational dialogue or solution.
    There's now a wiki page about the murders:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_killings
    http://livefromoccupiedpalestine.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html
    "Two other Palestinian(s) from the village of Awarta ... were shot dead by the Israeli military ... the villagers (are) saying that Muhammed Faysal (19 yrs) and Salah Muhammad Qawariq (16 years), were in fact killed by settlers."
    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=186012
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4042286,00.html
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...k-arrests-in-wake-of-itamar-massacre-1.349224
    "Residents of the village of Burin, who have fallen victim to settlers' attacks several times, told Haaretz on Saturday that the murder in Itamar was an abominable act. Palestinian columnists, journalists and private citizens also sharply denounced the attack."
    Another article said that IDF had fired bullets & set off detonations inside homes, destroyed the electric service to every home in the village, vandalized home computers & phones, & thrown mud in all wells.
    http://www.imemc.org/article/59528
     
  12. odessit19

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    There is always a human factor, always and it's the most important one. However, the reality is different as in every conflict, especially this one, there are always bigger causes.
     
  13. Schnorrer

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    Haaretz its a piece of crap newspaper, sometimes it seems that it is totally Israeli hater, an example last week the editor of Haaretz send a letter to marwan barghouti saying he hopes to see him soon....i mean like wtf this is like roosevelt sending a letter to hitler wishing him a merry xmas....:rolleyes:
     
  14. tomwilhelm

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    You should just read the NRO, so you never have to face any opinions that differ from your own...
     
  15. JBigjake

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  17. odessit19

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_palestinians

    Bomb rocks Jerusalem bus stop, 25 wounded

    I love the article heading. Effing a-holes. Bomb rocks? By itself I gues...it had no one that actually put it there. 25 wounded? 25 Martians I guess...

    Let's not forget that in the last few days, over 50 mortars and rockets were fired on Israel again - all in a days work, it's normal for a nation to just take it and accept it, right?
     
  18. Umar

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    And how many shells and bullets fired by the iDF in the same period? You do realise that israel has been conducting regular airstrikes in Gaza for a long time, as well as firing tank rounds into houses, right? Two children were killed just yesterday, along with six others:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12822493
     
  19. odessit19

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    Once again, your judgment is clouded by pure bias, alas you claim otherwise. First, my point was more about crappy, hateful, agenda-filled reporting, if these roles were reversed, you'd hear something like 2 Israelis kill or wound 24 Palestinians, not Bomb wounds 25....
    Second, THESE firings by IDF are in RESPONSE, just like that incident involving the house - that's where the mortars were fired from. I would venture that if these mortars were never fired, none of this would have happened and those kids would still be alive. Thank Hamas or IJ for that
     
  20. odessit19

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  21. HerthaBerwyn

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next week it will be an ambulance held at a fence until the occupant dies and a 'stinian picking apples shot by a settler.

    What is 'retaliation' and what isnt is just a matter of where you draw the seam between causalities.

    Heros are the ones who stop when its their 'turn'.

    No heros over there.

    We should leave them to rot.
     
  22. Umar

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    This is wrong. There are people on both sides doing amazing work, but are getting either killed or marginalised for it. On the israeli side, for instance, B'Tselem don't have to do the work they are doing, but they do so anyway. imo such people are heroes.

    But there are too few such people or organisations, for sure.
     
  23. HerthaBerwyn

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  24. odessit19

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    and who is doing this on the other side?
     
  25. Umar

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    Plenty of people. Do some reading and research.

    I only brought up Btselem because you wouldn't start crying about me being biased towards Palestinians, but I obviously mis-calculated.
     

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