Israel/Palestine in the News, Part II

Now I will guess you buy that bulls^it but you think the rest of the world should?

 

Even though the death of an Israeli is equal to the death of a Palestinian, an Iraqi, an American, a Japanese, etc...how that death came about is important for "moral" reasons.

For example, no individual or country was responsible for the deaths of the many innocent Japanese people that died as a result of the tsunami/earthquake. And thus no country/individual was morally responsible for those deaths.

BUT, in this case, this was the murder of unarmed, sleeping civilians who were "settlers" and thus this becomes a political issue due to the sensitivity of the settlements. This is equivalent to some guy murdering a doctor who is performing a legal abortion and justifies it (if he kills the doctor prior to abortion) via "defense of others" or afterwards by saying he enacted the death penalty for someone who murdered a child.

Say there are two neighborhoods. I am neighborhood X and you are neighborhood Y. I launch rockets into your neighborhood. Your neighborhood security service starts launching rockets into weapons factories in my neighborhood. In the process, since you have more expensive weapons (and thus more devastating), the result is a lot more of innocent civilians in my neighborhood die. The entity that resulted in the death of the innocent civilians in my neighborhood was obviously the security service of your neighborhood. But the moral responsibility is a little different. 1: Those innocent civilians would never have been at risk if it were not for the individuals launching rockets from my neighborhood 2: If the motive for the security service of your neighborhood was to destroy weaponry that was launching rockets in my neighborhood and took all possible practical precautions to avoid casualties of unarmed individuals, then even though my secruity service directed the attack that resulted in the death of unarmed individuals, I am morally "off the hook".

That said, re: the effectiveness of the US/Israeli strategy on dealing with terrorism in the Middle East can be questioned. For one, imo, a military solution to dealing with Hamas/Hezbollah/Muslim Brotherhood/etc is limited at best.

Another example...say, there is a doctor that is treating a patient. The doctor makes a mistake that results in the death of the patient during surgery or whatever. And say, I come and murder you while you are sleeping. In both cases, the end result is the death of an innocent person (unarmed). Should the doctor have the same punishment as me?

 

I defended you once before - this is crap, though.

 

I can not and will not buy that the IDF only shoot when fired on.....

 

sailing peacefully? Palestinian lands? What's the point of discussing things with you, when you are so effing blind to the facts on the ground. Always has been and always will be. That's all your kind do, when they are wrong , they bring in other issues to change subject. You are in class of your own for sure. Scum.

 

That is just, so.... I don't even know what to call it.

 

Yes, they've been doing that for several decades now.

 

As do I. It's odessit and the like that can't, or rather won't...

 

It's ironic how instead of talking about this tragic event, the thread has moved from discussions on flotilla, settlers, land grabbing to how "good" some of you are in your proclamations that you are evenhanded in this affair and that you are against all violence. Save me your crocodile tears, it's rather pathetic.

 

Less pathetic than your arguments supporting the apartheid and dehumanization of an entire culture.

 

i guees you don't understand the meaning of the words apartheid and culture either...
but keep trying to convince me otherwise.

 

You're a religious fundamentalist. I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I'm going to try to convince everyone exposed to you just how sick your world view is.

Have a nice day.

 

Wow, if you only knew how WAY off you are...

 

I am not sure if this one got enough of an attention. I won't waste time highlighting all that is wrong with it, but just to ask you and whomever else to have another read.

My lazy way to suggest a rethink of positions would be to ask whomever to have a look at "veil of ignorance" - see John Rawls. And to have a read of To Kill a Mockingbird - end speech.

 

thanks for your input, now go back and crawl under the rock where you came from.

 

* sneak
** bed sheets
*** your mother's gaping a__l hole awaits.

Insults are easy. Try reading what other people say and actually thinking about it once in a while, trust me it won't hurt your brain that much.

When every humanitarian organisation (who all condemn actions such as those committed against the Israelis a few days ago) has a habit of emphasising all the things that Israel does wrong, you really have to think about the position you take if you claim human rights to be so important. When so many who care about human rights take a universal approach to Israel, I do hope you take some note of it. I'll let you go back and have a read of the two things I referenced as opposed to explaining them to you.

 

How about you eff yourself, your mother and those humanitarian organizations.

 

What is wrong with you?

 

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...responding to an irrelevant post containing an insult. Why do I have to listen to people constantly changing the subject and reiterating how evil Israel is when this monstrosity took place on behalf of Palestinians? Same people claiming they are fair and against all violence, write pages of posts in response to Israeli "crimes" while, at best, throwing one sentence regarding this particular heinous crime.

 

He's blinded by religious hatred. It's sad.