Israel/Palestine in the News, Part II

Odessit stop playing innocent, over the past year you have supported the idea of expulsion of all Arab Israelis out of Israel and the expulsion of Palestinians out of the West Bank.

 

Well crap. That didn't last long...

 

With you Yasik, we always have peace. On a footballing scale, please refer to my thread in the Arsenal forum!!!

 

Fair enough. For a change you say something that makes sense.

 

I'm sure you're confident!!!

 

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Painful congratulations!!

 

Great standards of living for Palestinians.....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1148787.html
Expulsion without trucks

About eight of the 40 families from Dhaher al-Maleh have left their tiny village and have gone to live on the eastern side of the separation fence. They could no longer bear the Israeli ban on building houses.

Neither could they bear the other restrictions and prohibitions that the fence and its planners have imposed on them: They were forbidden to have relatives and friends visit; forbidden to get ill or have babies at night, when the gate is closed; forbidden to bring large quantities of food home, as big families require; forbidden to link their homes up with the electricity grid; and they were forbidden to build a clinic - restrictions and prohibitions to the point of suffocation.

 

So tell us about life in the internment camps in Jordan and Syria and Lebanon. How are your fellow muslims and arabs treating the palis?

 

Just like the Israelis treat them... as pawns in their geopolitical game. Instead of as humans.

 

You mean like provide them with water, electricity, natural gas - and thaty's for PA territories and of course in Israel, grant them citizenship, voting rights, their own political party, etc...
Yep, same thing.

 

Yeah. The Israelis have been real humanitarians...

 

Ahh, moving the goal posts when proven to be a jackass...

And yeah, they have.

 

That's fine, but it would be nice if those anti-israeli's around here would acknowledge that fact. My stance is that things need to improve and I would start by making the West Bank the de facto nation of Palestine. Remove all Israeli checkpoints and the like and see how things progress from there.

It should be pointed out that the palis in those arab countries have it just as bad, if not quite worse then they do in Israel.

 

No, they haven't. And I didn't move anything. The Israeli government is responsible for the inhuman conditions and restrictions to basic human rights to which they subject the Palestinian people under their authority. Which is approximately half the Palestinians in the world.

Israel is, by policy and by force, keeping 5 million people in political and economic poverty in order to achieve their own ends, be they geopolitical security or religious dingbattery.

 

Look, when you're comparing Palestinians living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan to their lives under Israeli "control," it is dishonest to compare two scenarios as thie lives are much better in one case than the other any way you slice it. In the 80's and mid 90's WB had the highest per capita GDP and way of live than any other Arab nation in ME, why is that?

 

1. International aid. Simply put, Palestinians outside of the occupied territories are out of sight, out of mind of the international community.

2. Income from working for Israelis in domestic and other low-skill labor capacities. At least when they're allowed to pass through check points. Or for work like building homes for Jewish settlers in the WB. Palestinians in Syria, Lebanon, etc. are refugees and, by law (if not reality), can't hold jobs in the local economy.

 

Ok, at the same time though, we have to recall that many of these people stuck in these internment camps are living 60 people to a home built for 12. And these "refugees" are labeled as such because of actions by the Govt. of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. They are as much to blame for the situation as anyone for starting the wars they did, and had they beaten Israel you still wouldn't have any nation of Palestine. It would be split between Jordan and Egypt.

We all hear that this refugee situation is caused by Israel not giving land over for a nation of Palestine, but that is only an aspect of a much larger problem. The fact is Israel gets blamed more because they are a non-muslim nation.

 

It's not so much

it's more along the lines of "not letting them back into their houses or land".

 

Touche. Blame is on those Arab nations that attacked Israel in '48-'73. Plus aftr wars how many people came back to their homes when they were displaced? Just ask Germans, Poles, Fins...

refugees will never go back - EVRERYONE who is rational knows this so stop playing this useless card.

 

Much simpler - they are treated as sh#t by Arabs, where in Israel they are full citizens. What happens in PA territories should not be Israel's responsibility, although like I said they already provide most utilities to thier "friendly" neighbors.

 

So I take it that you agree that people who "start wars" and are displaced have no right to return to the land, say 2000 years later?