IslamoFascists

I think we should let the noble Jackalope explain it to all of us.

 

Come on, get with it you tree-hugging pinko moonbat. It's a new political epithet dude. And a funky fresh one at that. Even the Prez has been heard dropping it on occasion.

 

They're up there in the Axis of Evil with the Secularhumafacists.

 

Sharia and fascism don't mirror each other?

 

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

"repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice"

Yes

"The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after... "

No

" Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect."

Yes

"And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society..."

No (I contend Jihad spawns from economic disparity)

"Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society"

Yes

"The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State"

No, No, No!!! The US maintains the Jihadists are Non-Governmental Organizations, justifying exempting them from Gereva Conventions. These are NOT State actors.

I did not find the oft-quoted definition of Fascism as cojoining of State and Corporate intereste. Does anyone have it as a coherent quote?

Im guessing they simply use a snappy term which tests as scary and bad without regard to any operative definitions.

The labeling of The Jihadists with a label which inherently implies State centric organization leads to what I think is a fundemental unasked question of the day

IS Westphalian Sovreignty obselete???

 

Well, seeing as they've simply beaten "elitist" to death, they had to come up with some kind of perjorative label to help them avoid having to actually think about stuff.

 

Fascist and IslamoFacists follow the same basic ideals with the latter adding on a religous context.

 

The Jihadist movement is currently a non-state actor (or more accurately, a collection of non-state actors) but its ultimate goal is the establishment of a new Islamic caliphate. You can be a fascist without actually having a state to control--it's not as if Hitler and Mussolini only became fascists after seizing power in their respective countries.

 

Using Mussolini's definition of Fascism is basically useless, as it can basically reduced to "Fascism is what suits me best today and may be something completely different tomorrow if I need something else".

That being said, "IslamoFascists" is one of the most ridiculous terms ever.

Anyway, there are serious historians who don't even consider Nationalsocialism to be Fascist, while others have a definition so broad that it includes groups like the Ku-Klux-Klan. I'm sure there are people who think that Italian Fascism wasn't Fascist...

 

I doubt Georgy is using the term to make some form of deep and meaningful allusion. He's been told to use it because it helps with the "War on Terror is just like World War Two" shtick that has been a running theme throughout the propagation of this unwinnable "war".

If everyone with a long black beard and sandals is a fascist, then its much easier to pretend that anyone who opposes wilfully disenfranchising and/or shooting them "with us" is the modern reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain.

 

I had always wondered what Islamists had to do with bundles of rods as well.

 

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." -- Robert O. Paxton

My personal view is that calling it fascism probably isn't accurate, as it's missing the corporate element.

 

And what are those basic ideals?

 

A fascist is ultimately nothing more than someone who has read Will to Power a few too many times without understanding it even once.

 

So wait a second - the bombs in spain and england were really the islamofascists sending a messge - we can make the trains run on time?

No, that's surely not right.

Sounds more like islamoanarchists. Bringing down the WTC was to disrupt international commerce. Blowing up trains destroys infrastructure. and it fits the taliban a bit better - essentially they favored roving bands of thuggish police free to judge and apply any perceived law or desired punishment, without a rigid system of laws, courts, appeals, etc.

 

I'll put it in plain English for ya. "IslamoFascists" = "Bad Muslims"

Seriously wtf Fascism has to do w/this, I have no idea. Just another Republican catch-word I suppose.

 

"islamofascist" helps with George's syllable-per-word ratio, which his advisors are very concerned might be too low and give the impression that he is too stupid to be President.

 

DING DING we have the winner!!!

 

...until you actually hear him say it, and he sounds even dumber than before.

 

Today it is islamofascits, but how long before iguanofattits are the new threat to our freedoms?

 

Wait a minute - you think they are appealing to a base that thinks there are muslims that aren't bad?

 

In the weeks and months after September 11, the nation was afraid. And confused. We faced a new enemy, an apparently brutal and skillful one, that we little understood. A grateful nation's eyes turned to Christopher Hitchens, whose neologism "Islamofascism" established a key precedent for the age: in this new era one would not be expected to know what one was talking about in order to have strongly held opinions as to what needed to be done.

- Matthew Yglesias