ISG Report Released

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Claymore, Dec 6, 2006.

  1. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    Besides making you happy, what constructive purpose could that statement possibly have?
     
  2. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    She is right. There is something to say for speaking the truth being a constructive purpose in and of itself.
     
  3. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Because if for the first time it appears that the president may be willing to listen to outside voices, and for the first time there may be hope for serious changes in policy, I don't think it is the right time for juvenile personal insults clearly intended to be divisive.
     
  4. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    In its time and place. As this is a bipartisan action and strategy document, getting on the president's case does nothing. It's more destructive than constructive at this time.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Speak truth to the pouter.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Change the public narrative in a way that empowers those who want the president to change course.
     
  7. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
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    Bush started trashing the report last week, again stating his position that there will be no troop pullout. And today, his reaction has been consistent with every bit of advice he's received - thanks, now go away because I'm the Deciderer.
     
  8. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    So it's a big "I told you so". Got it.
    Gore should be more of an adult than that. I expect more from a statesman of his stature.
     
  9. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    While it emboldens the president to remain an obstinate ass hole
     
  10. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Matt's right. It's time to put the country first, not bash the President. The President needs to follow along.

    If he doesn't, let be bashing begin. :mad:
     
  11. Crimen y Castigo

    May 18, 2004
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    Gore is still an outsider at the moment -- he's not in congress or elected office.

    So being a lightning rod and saying what others cannot say, i.e. those who have to work directly with W(orst President Ever), does serve a purpose, IMHO.

    It in fact invites a Democrat to say exactly what you said that "this is a bipartisan action and strategy document, getting on the president's case does nothing. It's more destructive than constructive at this time."

    I think if a Dem came out and wagged a finger at Gore that would be perfect and nobody would be happier than Big Al.

    Besides, it's not like it was Dan Haggerty Al...
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    ..or crazy Al.
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    It was just friendly put-up-your-dukes, politcally sparring Al.
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    No problemo.
     
  12. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I think his comments were totally appropriate.
     
  13. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Gore's awesome. I'd love a President w/multiple personalities.

    "W" only has 2 speeds-dumb and dumber. Let's pray for the just dumb this time around.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    He's extremely bright, movie-star handsome, has the best resume of any candidate....he really should have done better in 2000.

    He still has a great chance of being President Gore.
     
  15. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    How do you do better than winning?
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

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    Here's what Nancy Pelosi said:

    Sounds about right. She speaks of cooperation but in a forceful way, with talk of ending the war as quickly as possible. She's saying they will work with Bush, but the ball is in his court.

    And btw, I saw the President's response on TV and so far I didn't see him make any disparaging remark. (I didn't find it on the internet, there's an AP video but I cannot get it to work.)

    From what I saw, he seems to be taking the report seriously. Granted, it's early, but I don't think he will challenge it, except possibly the part about working with Syria and Iran. At worse he may try to downplay it, but lets be fair, so far he's not done that. With Gates in charge, I can see them trying to implement it.
     
  17. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    You beat the point spread.
     
  18. Brainodo

    Brainodo New Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Hoboken
  19. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    It shouldn't have been close. He should have won going away based on the success of the Clinton terms. But he ran away from Clinton.
     
  20. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
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    As opposed to the kid glove treatment he's gotten the last six years? Yeah, that worked...
     
  21. Swab the poopdeck

    Swab the poopdeck New Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    in gurland
    Of all the ISG's recommendations these two stood out for me.

    This is the crux of it really. What the longterm plans of the US are, a genuinely independent Iraq or an "Independent Iraq" controlled from Washington. This, to me, is the heart of the problem. There is no trust in the longterm intentions of the US, probably with good reason. Iraqis might fight for decades to avoid that second option, as most people in their position, including americans, would.
     
  22. ForeverRed

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    The White House isn't going to take any recommendations and are just going to ignore this while people keep dying in Iraq....

    Bush "we will react in a timely fashion" uh huh....:rolleyes:

    I remember that being said over two years ago.
     
  23. JeremyEritrea

    JeremyEritrea Member+

    Jun 29, 2006
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    What part of Gore's statement is incorrect?
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    And at that point such words were merited, even if they weren't used. They aren't right now.

    Why is this so difficult. If you want to work together with someone, don't talk shit about them when coming to them with ideas.
     
  25. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    None of it. His timing sucks and his wording is rude.
     

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