Is Wolfowitz aware of this trend?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by sebakoole, Feb 26, 2003.

  1. sebakoole

    sebakoole New Member

    Jul 11, 2002
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch.

    I'm very patriotic, and I want to believe the US is a force for good in the world. But how can I, now?

     
  3. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    I stopped reading that article in the first two sentences. It is the same Arab rhetoric we've been hearing for 30 years. "The US does things only because of Israel, the US wants oil." Blah blah blah. I find this article to be extremely simplistic, and biased. And yet a "patriotic american" like yourself found it to be earth-shattering. Incredible! I guess your patriotism is made of glass then isn't it?
     
  4. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    manny, you should have finished reading, as it's not simplistic at all. Having lived for 2 years in a "friendly Arab country," know EXACTLY the attitude this article describes, right down to the ongoing conflict between the political/cultural arm of U.S. imperialism. That's complex stuff, and this article gets it right.
     
  5. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    i did read all of it, and yes it grows much more complex, but it remains very biased.
     
  6. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
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    United States
    I think you need to consider what you mean by "biased" as this article just reports on points of view. As it stands now, it seems like you're using the term to arbitrarily eliminate information that doesn't fit your worldview.
     
  7. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    No, it present's a man that i'm to listen to, and when i do, all i hear is uneducated garbage. He has no idea what he is talking about. He speaks with the typical Arab bias,which some people around here are starting to subscribe to(shudder). So yes, the article is biased when the person im first presented with holds those views.
     
  8. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    Some might say that you talk with typical American right bias, and that you should be ignored. Just because someone is coming at an issue from a different perspective doesn't mean that they are completely wrong, or worse, should be ignored.
     
  9. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    you're part right. they can still be credible. however, do you honestly believe all of foreign policy moves in that region are because of our "need" to "appease" our Israeli "masters"?
     
  10. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    No. If America had strictly followed the desires of Israel since 1948, it would have done a lot of things differently. An obvious example is that Eisenhower would not have ordered Britain, France and Israel out of Egypt in 1956. (Suez crisis)
     
  11. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Exactly, so this denies the credibility of the speaker, because we both know what he claims isn't true, thus underlining my original claim. The man is a fool, yet people decided to base a thread on his statements, thus rendering this thread insignificant.
     
  12. sebakoole

    sebakoole New Member

    Jul 11, 2002
    Regardless of his "credibility", the fact that he and many others like him, believe what they do makes this a very significant issue. His perceptions may be inaccurate (I'm not going to argue either way), but the fact that people act based on their perception of reality (and not reality) makes growing Arab hatred of the US a very serious issue.

    As I was reading this article, I couldn't help but think that Bin Laden must be very happy seeing so many muslims who were once pro-American become so angry at the US. Is Wolfowitz's "Marhsall Plan" for the Arab world going to have the opposite effect of its intended one?
     
  13. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Ummm....bin laden is dead. He's all about the video tapes. He hasn't made one since December. GASP! the audio tapes? I can make an audio tape with my impersonation of Walther Mathau on it, but does that mean he's alive? I will belive bin laden is dead until is see that f***ers new video.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I took care of that this morning. And you know, the sun shines brighter, the coffee tastes fresher, and the air, the air smells better.

    I'm a new man.

    Down with sockpuppets!!!
     
  15. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    Down with superdave, who argues like a six year old. you just repeat that puppet thing because you have nothing else to say. i think someone needs a timeout, and then a nap. superdave gets grumpy when he doesn't get his nap.
     
  16. bocatuna

    bocatuna New Member

    Aug 8, 2002
    England
    You forgot to answer the rest of sebakoole post.
     
  17. DoctorJones24

    DoctorJones24 Member

    Aug 26, 1999
    OH
    Please find one sentence from the article that is "biased" that is not a direct quote from a 3rd party.
     

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