is WMLS is next after the fonding of WUSA?

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Juan Luis Guerra, Sep 19, 2003.

  1. Juan Luis Guerra

    Juan Luis Guerra Red Card

    Jun 11, 2001
    New York City
  2. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Monroe, Louisiana
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn, I thouhgt there was going to be something in here about fondling....
  3. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see how you come to that conclusion after reading the article. His "Is there a WMLS just over the horizon?" was just a throw-away line after a paragraph saying that if Anschutz wants a women's league, he should let WUSA go away then start a new one. But I don't see that being a jump to saying "WMLS" is just moments away.
  4. Juan Luis Guerra

    Juan Luis Guerra Red Card

    Jun 11, 2001
    New York City
    Phill could use MLS SSS for the "new women's league. This way, WMLS will not have to pay for high lease, stands, parking, etc... I dont think it's a bad idea at all. We will see
  5. PSU92

    PSU92 Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Annandale VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you had the teams in the same cities as MLS & had them play the same schedule (all doubleheaders). You would be paying additional salary & travel expenses but, other addtional expenses would be saved. These costs could be made up by additional ticket sales, merchandising revenue & TV revenue -- in theory.
  6. roarksown1

    roarksown1 Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Playa del Rey, CA
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Phil Anschutz made his fortune by putting his money where he believed there was a sound business opportunity. He's on the way to proving that he was right with MLS, especially with the Galaxy this year approaching profitability.

    I'm not sure evidence from the past lends towards this tendency and I can't imagine that St. Phil will be involved in a cause. It's just not sound business.
  7. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    Dude no one gives 2 sh!tes about women's soccer. You can blame the sponsors all you want but no one showed up to games, no one watched, no one cared. No one was even going to care because there are much better products out there. THe only reason to go watch a WUSA game was so that you can GO "Ra-Ra" for women's sports. The level of play itself sucked. It was a complete waste of 2 hours out of your day.
  8. Khansingh

    Khansingh New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    The Luton Palace
    Funny, if you asked three-quarters of the US population to name an American soccer player, the most common answer would probably be Mia Hamm. A close second would be Brandi Chastain. Third? Maybe Pele.
  9. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    I feel the same way about the Metros :D :p
  10. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    Just because they know doesnt mean they CARE.
  11. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    Yeah but atleast there decent interest even tho most people dont care about MLS/Metros either. There wasnt even a decent enough core fanbase for WUSA.
  12. TOTC

    TOTC Member

    Feb 20, 2001
    Laurel, MD, USA
    Wrong, dude. Put it on its head.

    Many didn't know. But people cared enough.

    Let's read my last paragraph real slow.

    "Many didn't know." Aside from a number of female anchors and knowledgable male anchors, people in the press froze out the WUSA. ESPN never had highlights of Founders Cup I on SportsCenter, and had the score wrong on its ticker.

    WUSA also didn't market itself a-la NBA in packaging halftime features outside of "goals of the month." In only a very few places did teams market its non-LFPs. It took a year for Washington, for example, to put anyone other than Mariel Margaret Hamm in its advertising.

    And, of course, the major error was the PAX time-buys.

    "But people cared enough." Ever see tape of the league semifinal in Year 2 between Philadelphia and Washington? More than 500 bussed up from DC and took over two entire sections. We kicked @ss.

    There were enough female athletes from other endeavors to make the opening game of WUSA, including the likes of Jenny Thompson and Billie Jean King.

    Your "nobody cares" is shortsighted. And wrong. WUSA2 coming soon. Beware. Ha.
  13. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    HAHA!LOL!! Keep taking those drugs!


    Youre so silly!
  14. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas
  15. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Damn, dude -- I just about spewed hot coffee all over my monitor.
  16. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I highly doubt more Americans could name Brandi Chastain than Pele.
  17. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    AFC Ajax
    oh well then it must be true... if YOU doubt it and all :)

    actually most of the WUSA fans aren't old enough to drive or have disposable income, but i know they care because my nieces are among that group and they were heartbroken when the news came - the obvious problem was that the league spent way too much money - if they had scaled down and not wasted by purchasing PAX time, they'd still be in business
  18. Bootsy

    Bootsy New Member

    Apr 10, 2003
  19. Keep87

    Keep87 New Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    North Carolina
  20. Seymour

    Seymour New Member

    Apr 15, 2002
    I don't think the fact that the WUSA failed as a stand alone organization necessarily means that a WMLS would also fail. As others have pointed out, there are significant cross-marketing/branding and potential cost savings in running the two organizations as one. Also, if our ultimate goal is SSS for each team, there needs to be other events to help underwrite the cost of the stadiums. I would have think that if you play the majority of games as double headers, share marketing, etc., you could potentially scratch out some sort of profit. There doesn't seem to be significant amount of crossover between the fans so you wouldn't be cannibalizing your audience. However, in this view, the WMLS would be a significantly scaled down operation and probably would not regularly be on tv.

    All that said, I don't want to see the MLS do that right now. I think that they need to focus on building their own product and not worry about getting another league off the ground. I also think that there is an inherent problem in running a women's league and a men's league under the same banner in that the women are inevitably going to say, "how come we are not paid as much/treated as well as the men." Since the concept of gender equity has been driving the growth of women's sports at the amateur level (not saying that is good or bad by the way), I think people have the ingrained mindset that there should be some parity on the professional level. The economic realities of that, however, makes it impossible.

    For whatever reason, there seems to be a lot of undeserved hostility towards the WUSA and women's soccer in general on these boards. I personally do not really watch women's soccer or, for that matter, any women's sports. However, I don't take satisfaction in the WUSA failing. The ultimate test for every soccer fan (including those who are only interested in men) should always be this: is it good for soccer overall in this country and will it create more interest in the game? From that respect, I can't see how anybody can think that the lack of a women's league is a good thing.

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