By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
  1. David Bolt

    David Bolt Member

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    Liverpool
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    Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

    By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
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    It can’t be overstated just how much Jose Mourinho was revered here in England. He was a breath of fresh air when he came. He was a young, brash, dynamic coach who came to the UK tooting his own horn, and then proceeded to back it all up with success on the pitch.

    Chelsea fans adored him and most other fans would grudgingly recognise his brilliance, while wishing their club had him, or at least a coach just like him.

    For years, Mourinho was so highly thought of that coaches and managers showing promise or doing a good job somewhere weren’t just compared to him, they were named after him. For example, when Sean Dyche got an unlikely promotion with Burnley five years ago, he got the nickname ‘the Ginger Mourinho’.

    Nobody thought that was weird. Mourinho was the benchmark for all managers. He was the gold standard. He was synonymous with success, so it naturally followed that any other coach that had a bit of success must have had a bit of Mourinho about him.

    And, it always seemed that Mourinho loved English football as much as it loved him.

    But not anymore. Mourinho was fired by Manchester United on Tuesday following a tumultuous time. On both occasions he was fired by Chelsea, it seemed obvious he’d be back in English football. But today, the opposite seems true. It seems that English football may be finished with Mourinho.

    Jose Mourinho and Manchester United seemed like a match made in heaven. Mourinho had apparently been desperate to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson, and, according to Diego Torres in his book, was devastated when Manchester United chose David Moyes ahead of him.

    Following Moyes and Louis van Gaal’s time in charge that failed to restore Manchester United as the foremost club in England, and Mourinho’s availability after being fired by Chelsea, it was finally Mourinho’s time.

    In some ways he’s fulfilled his brief. He did win trophies during his time as United manager, winning the league cup and Europa League in his first season. He did get Manchester United back into the top four, finishing second last season, albeit 19 points behind champions Manchester City.

    But in many other ways his time in charge has been a dismal failure. And it’s shattered a lot of the mythos that Mourinho has built up around himself.

    Manchester United knew what they were signing up for when they got Mourinho. Mourinho’s reputation went before him. He’s a disruptor; he’ll blaze into a club like a whirlwind, cause chaos, bring success and then the wheels will come off.

    United knew that they would have to bend to his whims, to back him in the transfer market with millions and to put up with all the negative baggage that comes with him, but they did all that with the knowledge that while it would likely be a bumpy ride, he would likely bring them success.

    But, what United had either failed to see or turned a blind eye to, was that somewhere along the way Mourinho had changed, and not for the better.

    When he first came to the UK, Mourinho’s teams reflected the man himself. They were cocky, swaggering sides, that went onto the pitch with an aura of invincibility. They were teams that knew they could beat anyone.

    But as the years have gone on, Mourinho has changed, and his teams reflect the new side to his personality. Mourinho’s own identity seems to be tied up with his reputation as a winner to the point where he is now afraid to lose. And that’s how his teams play. They play afraid.

    Mourinho’s reputation as a tactician has been shot down, because all he does now is sets his teams up not to lose and to hope the opposition make a mistake. That’s just not good enough for a team like Manchester United, who were known for playing on the front foot.

    Even when his Manchester United team was winning games, they were doing so playing such turgid, joyless football that nobody, Mourinho included, could take any sort of pleasure from it.

    His reputation as someone who can build a team has been shot down. For all his many, many complaints about not backed in the transfer market by Manchester United, the facts don’t bear this out. According to transfermarkt Mourinho spent nearly £420m in his time in charge. And United don’t have a great deal to show for that. Several of his signings have washed out already, some of the others had fallen completely out of favour and several others have been huge disappointments. The new manager will have to spend to rebuild that team again.

    His reputation as a coach has been shattered. Barely any Manchester United players improved while he was there. Most have gone the other way, regressing or failing to produce while he’s been there, only to blossom once they’ve got away from him.

    Paul Pogba is a perfect example. He’s one of the best midfielders in the world; but has looked a shadow of himself while playing for United. However, at the World Cup, and away from Mourinho, he flourished and was superb. Similarly, Mourinho failed to get the best out of the very talented Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford and Luke Shaw.

    Mourinho’s reputation as a motivator has been obliterated by his time at United. He calls his players out in public all the time. He doesn’t so much throw his players under the bus, as throw them in the road and then drives over them with the bus. He pretty much gave up on the season before it started because he didn’t believe that United had signed the players he wanted, not only being resigned to finishing behind Manchester City again, but also Liverpool, who United had finished ahead of last season.

    Mourinho’s departure also reflects badly on Manchester United. The comparison with Liverpool in the early 90s seems to be a good one. Like Liverpool, Manchester United had gotten complacent during a period of sustained success and are floundering to get to grips with a game that’s left them behind.

    It seems clear that the club is still struggling to get to grips with life Post Sir Alex Ferguson. They still seem stuck in the past and unaware that the game has moved on around them. They still don’t have a sporting director, who would be responsible for overseeing the vision of the club (maybe they don’t even have one of those), and would make it that the club wouldn’t live and die by the person who oversees the team.

    Today it was announced that former player Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will take charge in an interim role for the rest of the season. This suggests that Manchester United know who they want to be their next manager, and that person isn’t available now, with reports saying that Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino is the man they want.

    As for Mourinho, It’s difficult to see any other English team being prepared to take him on. I’d be shocked if Mourinho would be willing to change his M.O. and would go to any club where he wasn’t given a lot of money, and I don’t think that any of the English clubs that could afford to keep Mourinho happy would want him. After all, if you’re no longer guaranteed success with Mourinho, why would you want to take on his baggage?
     

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Discussion in 'Premier League' started by David Bolt, Dec 20, 2018.

    1. Lacosta

      Lacosta Member

      Barcelona
      Spain
      Feb 26, 2020
      In The Galactic

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Frank Lampard is their coach. He has plan for their future and is working very well.
       
    2. trebaruna

      trebaruna Member

      Jun 13, 2017
      Los Angeles

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      So, you were saying?
       
      theFOOTBALLlover repped this.
    3. GeorgeBest9

      GeorgeBest9 Red Card

      Oct 26, 2020

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Yes. He is on instagram.
       
    4. footy14wiz

      footy14wiz Member

      Nov 13, 2018

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Well, apparently not.
       
    5. NewDadaCoach

      NewDadaCoach Member

      Tottenham Hotspur
      United States
      Sep 28, 2019

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Finished? It looks like he might just be getting started.
       
    6. ivanmilj

      ivanmilj New Member

      Manchester United
      England
      Jan 28, 2021

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
    7. owian

      owian Member+

      Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
      May 17, 2002
      San Diego
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      Liverpool FC
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      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      I think and have though for a while that the international game would suit Mou. His defensive tactics could be really effective and less chance of player burn out.

      My own suspicion is it's only a matter of time at Spurs and would be surprised if he makes the end of the season. But guessing between now and then we'll see at least one more uptick in form to get a few more "Can Mourinho do it" clickbait stories.
       
    8. SF19

      SF19 Member+

      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      He will try to continue at the club level for many more years to come. International football would be too boring for him at this point in his career. It would mean spending months at a time without really doing anything.
       
    9. Satiamu

      Satiamu New Member

      France
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      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      As per me, José Mourinho is finished as a coach since 2015-16.
      He continues considering himself as a special one, but his work methods are too old for the modern and new football.
      I never liked how Mourinho's teams play, but especially I hate the way he used to blame others for bad results.
      Yes, he started pretty well this season, but now, when we are close to the end of the season, we can see that Tottenham is only 6th in the EPL https://www.espn.co.uk/football/table, and they had an embarrassing defeating in the Europa League.
      Mourinho should reconsider his working methods, or continue working as a TV expert.
       
    10. NewDadaCoach

      NewDadaCoach Member

      Tottenham Hotspur
      United States
      Sep 28, 2019

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      The main problem is he has some weak links in defense and midfield.
      I mean, if you simply swapped out Sanchez for Van Dijk then Spurs would be now #1 or #2. They literally just need to change one or two players and they'd have way more points.
       
    11. SF19

      SF19 Member+

      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      These tactics he's using at Tottenham worked in Italy and especially at a club like Internazionale where catenaccio had historical relevance. It doesn't suit Tottenham who have historically been known to play very enterprising and open football.

      Tottenham lack trophies and that why Mourinho was hired. They might get the EFL, but I don't think that will be enough for Mourinho to keep his job at this point.
       
    12. NewDadaCoach

      NewDadaCoach Member

      Tottenham Hotspur
      United States
      Sep 28, 2019

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      I'm not defending him, but specifically what has he done wrong - ie which of his decisions or managing caused Spurs to lose? Or is it more of the general defensive mindedness he has instilled?
      For ex, the West Ham come from behind draw.... was there a specific decision by Jose that led to that? Or the Zagreb loss... I'm trying to think of subbing that may have led to that... I think they subbed out Son? I pin that loss to laziness on Sissoko, Dier, Sanchez.
       
    13. SF19

      SF19 Member+

      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      It's the overall negative approach. Tottenham are known for playing good football, win or lose, but under Mourinho that's no longer the case. The problem for him is the results aren't justifying the means.
       
    14. NewDadaCoach

      NewDadaCoach Member

      Tottenham Hotspur
      United States
      Sep 28, 2019

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      I think they play decent football. But is off and on. They have decent possession I think most of the games, not all.
      I think it's the individual players.

      If you literally just swapped Dier or Sanchez for Van Dijk, what would our standing be now? Most likely above Man U and below/near Man City. Lack of leadership on the defensive line. Just prevent a goal here, a goal there (many due to Sanchez mistakes) we'd be at #1 or 2. But I guess we can't afford a Van Dijk. Spent too much on the stadium.
       
    15. SF19

      SF19 Member+

      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM


      The pundits would agree on your point that Tottenham do need to address issues with the quality of the defenders, but they seem unanimous in stating that Mourinho's approach has been too dour and negative too.

      For a team that has players like Son, Kane, Bale, Moura, Bergwijn, Ndombele, and Dele Ali, I think Tottenham have done themselves a disservice playing for the 1-0 result like they tried to do against United. Mourinho has to get his team to play more on the front foot because that is a strength for Tottenham. He's making a mistake by not taking more of that approach.
       
    16. AlphonsoDavies14

      AlphonsoDavies14 New Member

      Real Madrid
      Colombia
      Mar 24, 2021

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      He loves London and England for that matter. Levy sacks him, there's 10 other EPL clubs who will take him. I personally think he should take a break like Emery and Poch did but Mou is Mou for a reason.
       
    17. SF19

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      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      The sack was coming and now it has. He'll bounce back, but I'm not sure where he'll land.
       
    18. #Basta

      #Basta New Member

      FC Porto
      Apr 30, 2021
      Cambridge, Ontario

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Jose is not finished.
       
    19. SF19

      SF19 Member+

      Jun 8, 2013

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Bale said it to Sky Sports:

      That sums up why Mourinho had to go. A sabbatical would help Mourinho, but anyone think he'll be back in England? Maybe a lower end of the table side or a Championship side, but it would hard to see him at another top, top club in England.
       
    20. NewDadaCoach

      NewDadaCoach Member

      Tottenham Hotspur
      United States
      Sep 28, 2019

      Is Jose Mourinho Finished in English Football?

      By David Bolt on Dec 20, 2018 at 2:49 PM
      Levy should have let Jose finish out the season. They put in a manager with no experience. Doesn't make sense.
      Let Jose finish, can't be any worse than this.
      Now Spurs are done. shame
       

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