I would appreciate it if you could keep things civil you are hardly demonstrating an ability to debate if you have to resort to personal abuse. You acknowledged yourself that Mendy was an improvement and that was the point I was making.
You cherry pick a single sentence and flip it on its head to try to make a point about something not being argued while completely ignoring the whole. It's a joke. Red herrings for days on here. I'm sorry that Santa isn't real and that Lamps was not the guy for the job.
My timeline of events: Chelsea defense, bad. Not just bad. The worst its been in 20+ years. Kepa, also bad Blame shifted almost entirely onto Kepa for consequences of bad defense/bad midfield, even in games where things weren't his fault (examples have been provided ad nauseam, this doesn't mean Kepa was good though I don't doubt you'll find a way to say this is so) Kepa dropped for an even worse keeper (Willy) Defense still absolutely horrendous (shocker) Frank forces boards hand after (reportedly) no longer really speaking with Kepa, Mendy is signed Silva is also signed Clean sheets start to flow Defense doesn't take long to return to being horrible Frank asserts several times over how the squad isn't up to par and competing for the title is a pipe dream Mendy makes a couple of high profile errors Team back to being awful despite new signings Lamps sacked, Tuchel brought in Players previously excommunicated brought back into fold Defense looks the best it has in 2 years with players that all, apparently, needed replacing (bar Chillwell's recent starts) Team is pacing towards a CL spot again
Indeed. Your timeline of events. It is a basic and simplistic concept you have presented here, without much nuance to be honest. I think our defence improved when we brought in Thiago, Mendy and Chillwell and Frank did that. Frank also brought in the defensive coach Anthony Barry, who made a real difference in my opinion and he is still on the Tuchel's coaching staff. We are also currently playing with 5 at the back. Defensively we have looked much better. Five defenders helps. Tuchel is up for manager of the month this month. The Toosh has been good and he has steadied the ship. Frank has gone. Not everything Frank did was bad. Sarri has gone. Not everything Sarri did was awful either. We are all ready for a little more success now though. The club has invested heavily in the youth for a couple of decades now and the current manager Tuchel is going to reap that benefit hopefully. Timing is everything.
That's the first and last time I'll let you hurl abuse at me, let's just remind ourselves that it isn't big and it isn't clever doing it from behind the safety of your keyboard either, next time I'll report the post.
Indeed. IF these kids need to be aggressive they should go and argue with the the scousers or man utd boards.
I don't understand, I posted about Mendy and you are trying to make it about Frank. So you are not even able to pick a single sentence to backup your post. Just ignore the facts and repeat your mantra, and you talk about the ability to debate. Also you ignore the point about abusive remarks.
He was terrible. Also, defensively, we weren't very good either. I don't care what anyone says because his save percentage was one of the worst, if not the worst in the PL era. You can't sugar coat that. This season we started well defensively and then it all fell apart. That's on Frank no doubt. Mendy really seems to have found his groove here though and there is a vastly different feel to the position right now. Is Mendy a long term solution??? I have no idea, but IMO he is/was better than Kepa or at least the Kepa of last season/this season.
1. Frank didn't improve the defense. Silva did. The same way Giroud and Pulisic launched us into the CL last year. Sorry. It wasn't Frank. Now Christensen, Rudiger, Azpi are all working together with purpose. 2. Barry is more than a "defensive" coach, as documented quite thoroughly. https://theathletic.com/2021352/202...mpard-jody-morris/?source=user_shared_article Summary: "Liam writes that Barry is not a defensive or set-piece specialist, rather a wonderful mixture of an analytical mind along with a great understanding of how to get the most out of players. Anthony’s propensity for video and match analysis helped build out Wigan’s tactics. He was acknowledged as being instrumental to Wigan’s upward trajectory before the club went into administration." 3. Tuchel plays 5 at the back, but so could have Lampard. He could have showed any of the flexibility he promised, but didn't carry through. 4. I still feel shaky with Mendy back there. I don't think he is our long term solution. Furthermore, I think you see opposing coaches take a second thought when they play our club now.
We'll agree to disagree. Advanced stats back up my position. The eye test backs up you're. Neither are wrong.
okay, I will get on your short bus and have a conversation with you You should: Stop stirring the pot. Frank has left. Try to move on. Frank was a legend. As a manager I don't think he was that bad either. We shall see. 1 & 2. To improve the defence. Frank brought in Chillwell, Silva and Barry - a coach known for being a defensive coach and a set piece coach. Yes, he could also do other things and he is more than a defensive coach, but his attributes in being a defensive coach and being good at set-pieces, those were the two things that he was especially known for in the world of football. Tuchel has kept him on as a coach. 3. Tuchel is not traditionally known for the 5 at the back formation, he has adopted it to get results. Clean sheets and not losing is great. Eventually Toosh will have to play a more attacking formation. We have the players to do that. Yes, Frank could have played 5, 6 or 7 at the back, but I bet he thought he had more time. He didn't. 4. I think Mendy is better than Kepa. There have been rumours that Mendy has been brought into the club as the future no.2 and there is a no.1 out there that we are interested in. Kepa is no longer part of the long-term plan. Other coaches know the quality of our players. We are Not Sheffield United FC.
We may well be losing Barry as a coach. Chelsea were facing a battle to keep hold of their coach who was brought in as a 'defensive specialist', with a report from Sportsmail [via The Daily Mail] confirming Fleetwood's desire to make Barry their new Head Coach.
On point 3, having more time I don't feel is a valid excuse. In this league you have to adapt extremely quickly; time is not a luxury any coach has especially here. We also saw absolutely no sign there was ever going to be a switch away from the system none of us were enamoured with. Had we seen some adaptation in tactics I think that results would have improved and lampards tenure continued. His lack of a plan b cost us and it cost him. I firmly hope we get Lampard v2.0 in the future once he gets more experience under his belt. I do think he has the makings of a very good gaffer but our bar should be higher than not bad. Like you say, we are not sheffield united (incidentally the sort of club I think frank would benefit from managing). For newer managers especially there is often a case of not being able to see the wood for the trees. When you are so close to the squad that it becomes difficult to see what we see as observers. Tuchel has benefitted from that, he had the opportunity to see us as an outsider and identify the issues objectively which he has largely addressed.
Agreed. What I said was: Yes, Frank could have played 5, 6 or 7 at the back, but I bet he thought he had more time. He didn't. Not that he should have had more time, but that I bet he thought he had more time. Managers have to adapt. This will be true for the Toosh. He will have to drop the 5 at the back at some point.
For sure. If frank thought he had more time he hasnt been paying much attention to what has come before him. As he is a clever chap I expect he knew he was always on a short leash after the transfer outlay. In fact I think it was it was clear he knew given his increasingly fractious interviews and squad interactions. That he still did not try anything new will, in time, be fixed with more experience but a significant indicator of why he was released. It was a gamble, it paid off in year one, it was failing in year two. I would be surprised if any future candidates will have his managerial cv.
Yeah, I think that with the covid maybe he thought he had until the end of the season? Maybe. It has been a strange season. It is a shame Frank didn't get a trophy last season - the FA Cup was stolen from us by a very stupid ref and an unfortunate injury. It would have been great for him to have won a trophy, even better if there had been a crowd. Even DiMatteo had his moment of management glory to remember. I think the saddest thing is that Frank never had that many games in front of crowd. No crowd allowed. Although, from the Toosh's point of view it is great that he didnt have to face an angry crowd of the die-hard Lampard-ites as that would have been really unfair for him and his coaches. Maybe that was a factor in the clubs timing of the Frank sacking?
Speaking of old managers and how stats are sometimes meaningless. The KDB and Jose story explained https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mourinho-de-bruyne-manchester-city-b922595.html "Jose called me into his office in December, and it was probably the second big life-changing moment for me. He had some papers in front of him, and he said, 'One assist. Zero goals. Ten recoveries'." "It took me a minute to understand what he was doing. Then he started reading the stats of the other attacking forwards - Willian, Oscar, [Juan] Mata, [Andre] Schurrle. And it's like - five goals, 10 assists, whatever. "Jose was just kind of waiting for me to say something, and finally I said, 'But... some of these guys have played 15, 20 games. I've only played three. So it's going to be different, no?' "It was so strange. I was completely honest. I said, 'I feel like the club doesn't really want me here. I want to play football. I'd rather you sell me.'"
I've said it so many times, Jose and his transfer policy ********ed us so hard. The club was finally making strides and building a squad for the future and then we let Jose drive and while we stopped at some nice places, he still drove us off the cliff.