After the great play of our under 20's and the not so stellar display of our seniors could it be time to rethink the team and the system used? I found the fianl against Brazil to be a gutless display and was quite sadened because I know we have the players to be much better than that game . Someone else in another thread echoed what I have felt for so long. Requilme has no heart!!!! I think it is time to use more players with guts. Once Aimar is 100% , he should be the captain that stears the ship. D'Allessandro has more guts than Requilme. Gallardo should get a game to see if he can still travel with the team. Maybe Veron's page could still be written, I think we need someone like him. Mascherano must be on the team, and Killy has aged but he would not just look like a bump on the log and watch his team be beat so badly against a arch rival.Lux is junk!!!!! Here is my starting line up Abbondancieri Zannetti Ayala Heinze Mascherano Veron Killy Gonzales Sorin Aimar Saviola Crespo What do you all think???? I think this line up is full of tested Argies, talent and bollas gallore.
I think you are too harsh on Lux.. he's actually quite good. Here's my list for the final team, including on the bench (23 total) Abbondanzieri Lux Coloccini Ayala Heinze Zanetti Samuel Solari Mascherano Kily Gonzalez Lucho Gonzalez Clemente Rodriguez Gallardo D'Alessandro Sorin Veron Aimar Riquelme Saviola Crespo Tevez Rosales Figueroa/Palacios starters: -----------------------------------Lux------------------------------ ----------------Zanetti---------Ayala------Heinze------------------- -------------------------------Mascherano-------------------------- ---------------------Kily/Lucho-------------Aimar-------------------- -------------------------Riquelme---D'Alessandro/Veron-------------- --------------------------Tevez------Crespo-------------------------
Franco Coloccini - Ayala - Heinze Zanetti - Mascherano - Sorín Cambiasso Riquelme Tévez - Crespo I don't see any flaws in this team. To hell with the 4-4-2 conservative formation. 3 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 2 is more balanced and dynamic, and all the players can give their best in those respective positions. One of the things I didn't like so much was Pekerman trying to use Cambiasso as the DMF. Clearly, this position belongs to Mascherano, whereas Cambiasso should help both Mascherano in defense and Riquelme in playmaking. Also, Zanetti and Sorín are midfielders. Including them in the defense is a waste, and leaves more spaces open for the opponent when Pupi and Juampi are helping with the offense. I'm not 100% sure about Tévez, but right now we don't have many options in that position. Saviola, Delgado, Galletti... they're all playing at a mediocre level right now.
1. I like the lineup above, although Luch should be in place of Cambiasso and I'm not sold on Tevez playing with Crespo. That one role which has been filled by Tevez/Saviola/Chelito/Bernardi/Santana/my grandmother is the toss up. I've never been a big Saviola fan, and it remains to be seen if Aimar can play there. 2. Veron can in no possible way play with Riquelme. Riquelme is only at his best when he's allowed to run the team through himself. He holds way too much of the ball to share with Veron. 3. D'Alessandro's overrated. 4. You can't play Zanetti as part of a 3 man backline. There he's a liability and a waste. 5. None of Argentina's keepers inspire any confidence at all.
Oh I don't know Zannetti is a fine defender, smart and can play the flank well while Ayala and Heinze play the principle stoppers . With Mascherano and Veron cleaning up the midfeild I can't see us being as pressed as we where in the confedarations cup. I think once Aimar is back to 100% he and he alone should manage the center of our attack, with Killy or Lucio on one flank and Sorin the fighter on the other, Crespo is the target man and I changed my mind from Saviola to Cesar Delgado. And finally I think Abbondancieri may not be a great keeper but he can at times play very well and he just might be the best we have at the moment.
AguanteBielsa's lineup is a good one to have as a base. I would not be upset if Peckerman adopted it. 1) I don't have a problem with Tevez/Crespo, as long as you have Sorin and Zanetti as wingbacks to attack wide and give us options. On the other hand, if Peckerman wants to play with a line of four, we will need more width, and I'm not sold on Tevez playing wide. That is where Chelito or Rosales might be better. But since I prefer the line of three, I will stick with Tevez/Crespo. 2) Alternatives to AB's line-up would be Gonzalo Rodriguez in the back, Lucho for Cambiasso, and Saviola for Tevez. If we are set on the system, I'd like to see Peckerman experiment with these different options to optimize it. 3) We need to find out who will be our best goalkeeper. We have several good ones, but we don't have a great one. 3) Stop all this nonsense about not playing Riquelme. Riquelme is the best conductor we have. Some people may not like his style, and some of the criticism of him is valid, but unfortunately we don't have a Maradona, or even a Ronaldinho. We will go as far as Riquelme takes us, and if he's on, he has the potential to take us a long way, maybe all the way. I think with Zanetti and Sorin on the wings and with Cambiasso or Lucho alongside him, we have alternatives to bring up the ball without somebody getting in his way as conductor. And if he's being erased by good defending, as sometimes happens, we can always bring Aimar off the bench in the second half to complement him.
Abbondenazieri sometimes look very shaky on crosses. Actually I don't think there's nothing much to chose b/n Lux and Plato. Lux has age in his favor. Coloccini is very effective if he doesn't hack down ppl. Haven't seen much of Ayala and Samuel (is he past his best ??) lately. Heinze (though he tires out towards the end of the game) and Zanetti look fine. Masscherano shud be the automatic first choice for the defensive midfielder. Cambiosso stands no chance to him. Sorin is a workhorse and keeps running thru out but is it effective for the team ?? IMO Kily was doin a better job. Requelme is the best bet for Argentina. Most of the passes originate thru him. But if he gets man marked then there's no one. Aimar or Lucho shud be able to take over that role. It's also worth while to bring back and try out Veron. Upfront its all abt who's gonna partner Crespo. Tevez is my choice. He is not in his finest form but I wud like to see him play for the full 90 mins for 3/4 games before Pekerman makes a decesion. Do u guyz think it'll be a good idea to give some exposure to Messi ?? My line up wud be: Lux Zanetti Coloccini Heinze Mascherano Kily/Lucho/D'Alessandro/Veron Requelme Aimar/Lucho Kily/Lucho/D'Alessandro/Veron Crespo Tevez
There still is the coming season to observe who's hot and not, but it seems to me the following players are sure (barring injuries): gk: Abbondanzieri df: Zanetti, Ayala, Heinze, Samuel, Sorin md: Mascherano, Lucho, Cambiasso, Riquelme, Aimar fw: Tevez, Crespo, Saviola That's a total of 14 players, with 9 spots still open. The probable ones at this point are Franco and Lux as keepers, Coloccini and Milito as defenders, outside chance for Gonzalo and Cufre; midfield is wide open to anyone who gets hot, especially Santana, Veron and Solari; and Galleti and Maxi Rodriguez as forwards, outside shot to Figueroa, Rosales, Milito and Delgado. For what it's worth, my starting lineup would be: Pato Zanetti Samuel Ayala Heinze Sorin Mascherano Lucho Riquelme Tevez Crespo With Aimar, Coloccini, Cambiasso, Saviola and Santana as the key reserves, this team is powerful enough to win the whole thing.
He's still a young guy. I'd rather call him inconsistent. Their are some games where you don't even know he's there, and their are others that make you think he's a superstar. Give him some time, I say.
I've never beein overly impressed with him. By the way, to everyone who keeps listing Zanetti in a 3 man defense......please stop. He's a wingback or a right back. He's not a serious choice for a 3 man backline.
My starting three defenders: Zanetti - Ayala - Heinze J/K..that was for nicephoras... I think the following players have earned a spot on the team Abbondanzieri Zanetti Coloccini Ayala Heinze (Maybe Milito and Samuel) Lucho Gonzalez Mascherano Cambiasso Sorin Riquelme Crespo Tevez The other spots are up for grabs. I think if Kily gets back to form..he has a spot, same with Samuel (even if he doesn't return to full prominence...there isn't anyone better) I believe that Solari really deserves a shot. He did great at Real, considering the playing time he got. I would also like to see more of Palacio or Rosales (su gambeta). I defeinately think Veron should be on this team too. He is doing wonderful at Inter. I really see him as playing deep center mid who can pressure the ball on defense and really open up the team with his laser-accurate passing. I actually would like to see him and Mascherano in the middle. His versatility would give Mascherano and the defense some help (pressing) and his offense would give Riquelme someone to play and create with.
That's the ultimate goal. However, Aimar is no type of form to play a full game for Argentina. Hopefully he will be able to recover and regain his futbol. He is an explosive player who can really create.
Hai, It is diffcult to predict who will be in Team for 2006, beacuse players who are in good form now , may not be so in 2006, If u guys look back in 2002, our performace sink had many reasons, few notable ones are 1.Veron (His move to Manu had brought his confidence down) he was the linchpin then 2.Batigol he was also not settled in his new club. If we analysise the reason when ever a player moves to a new club, his confidence can go up or suddenly drop down, good example is Crespo. And beacuse of this with many of the players moving to new club, most of our fortunes hang on how they play in new club. Guys like 1.Lucho Gonzalez 2.Mascherano 3.Crespo 4.Solari 5.Killy 6.SAviola 7.Maxi Rodriguez 8.Maxi Lopex 9.Cloadio Lopezx 10.Samuel 11.Tevez 12.Cavenghi 13.Clemente Rodriguez 14.Galleti All have moved to new club or going to move or not settled, some of them are our team regualr starters, so it depends upon how they perform in the coming season My ARg team will be GoalKeepers We have to choose 3 keepers 1.pato 2.Franco 3.Lux with an outside chance to Cabellero of Elachi Defenders 4.Ayala 5.Samuel 6.Coloccini 7.G.Rodriguez 8.C.Rodriguez 9.Heinze with outside chance to Milito, Quiroga, Placente, Cufutre, N. Burrdissco MidFielders 10.J.Zanetti 11.J.Sorin 12.Killy 13.Solari 14.Veron 15.Riquelme 16.Aimar 17.D'Alessandro 18.Mascherano 19.L.Gonzalez 20. Cambiasso we have to trim the midfielders, it should be based on the form and also on health basis with standbys Sanatna, Gallardo, Strikers 21.Crespo 22.Saviola 23.Tevez 24.Placios 25.Messi 26.Rosales 27.Maxi Rodriguez 28.Galleti 29.Milito 30.Maxi Lopez i think they will name a squad of about 35 and then trim it. So all the guys who are this list should perform well to get a call up and also some others who perform really well also should be called