Is an Oceania site part of the World Cup rotation?

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by olckicker, Jul 21, 2004.

  1. olckicker

    olckicker Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    I ask because if the answer is yes then would Oceania host WC 2014? Otherwise I think 2014 goes to the western hemisphere.
     
  2. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    No one knows, because the rotation scheme is only a figment of Schlep Bladder's mind. He's come up with a "good idea" without fleshing it out.

    Supposedly 2014 goes to S America, and Brazil will be the only country to bid for it.

    We shall see ...
     
  3. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Theoretically, yes, Oceania is part of the rotation. In practice, the rotation is (as Gary notes) another of Blatter's vague and wacky schemes and will probably be discarded as soon as he's deposed.

    A full-on rotation system isn't practicible, because Australia is the only nation capable of hosting it in the OFC. It would be nice to see us host the WC (we could certainly handle it), but I can't see it happening before 2022 at the earliest.
     
  4. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The exact rotation scheme has not been decided. FIFA decided that the 2010 cup would be in Africa and 2014 would be in South America. They later decided on South Africa over Morocco and the other African nations. Thus far, it looks like Brasil will be the only one bidding for 2014. The confederation to host 2018 has not been announced, but I guess it will be Europe's turn again.
     
  5. Mach1

    Mach1 Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Holly Springs, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it were a true rotation then it might go to CONCACAF after it goes to South America, since Europe has it with Germany next. I would imagine then Asia would get it with the 2022 Cup, and since Australia is closest to Asia than with the other confederations it might be able to bid in that group. Also, aside from Japan, South Korea, or China I'm not sure if any other countries in Asia could host the cup. Of course, the same could be said with CONCACAF, with the US and Mexico probably the only ones that could host it in that region, and maybe also Canada if they were very motivated. I'm going to guess that Australia is going to be allowed to bid at some point with another confederation, but if they get it will that count as that confederation's bid? Pretty confusing.
     
  6. simplysoccerBR

    simplysoccerBR New Member

    Feb 13, 2004
    Curitiba
    Will Australia host a WC soon? Yeah
    Will WC 2014 not go to Brazil. Nope
    Blatter and most world confederations own Brazil this. WC 2010 was supposed to go to Brazil. Everything was set, but something went wrong and it was lost by one vote (if I'm not mistaken, Morocco's abstention). And most (if not all) South American countries, such as Argentina, support Brazil in its WC bid.
    Since Europe won't stay without a WC for 11 years and China's economic power and population can't be ignored by FIFA, I would risk Brazil 2014, Europe 2018, China 2022, Australia 2026 and Europe again 2030.
     
  7. I was rather hoping the 2014 world cup could be a colombia,ecaudor,peru,chile joint wc Im pretty sure there are stadiums and it would be cool...not to mention all us would get free passes in :cool:

    if you want me to settle on two

    colombia/argentina world cup 2014
     
  8. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    FIFA have said that joint hostings are not an option from now on.
     
  9. Andy TAUS

    Andy TAUS Member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Sydney, AUS
    If Oceania IS a FIFA Confederation, then YES.

    If Oceania ISN'T a FIFA Confederation, then NO.

    If a true confederational rotation is to be followed after 2002 (Japan/Korea), 2006 (Germany), 2010 (South Africa), 2014 (Brazil) then 2018, or 2022 should be Oceania's (or North/Central America's & vice-versa) turn to host, with Asia (2026) and Europe (2030) following in that order thereafter.

    If you would like to see Oceania host a WC Finals, then don't even think of holding your breath as the usual FIFA, UEFA & CONMEBOL politics will determine otherwise (to the Old Septic Bladder's latest bright idea).

    End of story.
     
  10. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    FIFA (Bladder) have also said - for the second time - that Oceana will have a full spot in the WC finals. And that there is a rotation, but we haven't seen how that will evolve in the future.

    I would imagine that if a creative joint hosting proposal was put together, FIFA would consider it. Just for example, a Benelux combo - that's a smaller area than most single countries that might host, transportation is good, etc. (Now I have no idea whether there is an infrastructure available, so don't flame on that - it's just an example.) What FIFA probably don't want is a Japorea repeat, where everyone has to fly back and forth.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This discussion has come up dozens of times over the past few years with no conclusions reached.

    However, I point out--as I always do--that Blatter and FIFA have only ever said that there will be a "principle of rotation" in the process of selecting World Cup hosts. FIFA has never come out and clearly stated that the World Cup will be rotated quadrenially among the six (or five, if you discount Oceania) confederations.

    I personally believe that, ultimately, the rotation system will look something like this:

    A) Europe [2006, 2018, 2030, etc.]
    B) Africa/Asia/Oceania [2010, 2022, 2034, etc.]
    C) Americas [2014, 2026, 2038, etc.]

    But, as we know, there are many people on these boards that vehemently disagree with me. We'll probably have to wait until 2011 (when bids for the 2018 WC begin to be accepted by FIFA) to actually find the answer to this question.
     
  12. Andy TAUS

    Andy TAUS Member

    Jan 31, 2004
    Sydney, AUS
    Gary V,

    If you care to do some research (both on this MB & the FIFA web site wrt the granting of WC 2010 to South Africa) you should quickly find the formal FIFA statement that FIFA will not endorse another "co-hosting" of a WC Finals (such as Japan/Korea in 2002).

    No matter how "creative" any proposal may be, it just won't even be accepted as a proposal within FIFA.

    WRT the old Septic Bladder & his pronouncements: he can barely see where his next vote's coming from, so re-stating such thoroughly discredited views only does him further damage in the eyes of the footballing family & fans of this region. His actions and lack of delivery on such previous pronouncements have spoken much louder than his words. :mad:
     

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