Post-match: Is all lost? MLS Matchday 26 Crew @ NERDS Saturday September 18th 7:00pm

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Big J 0526, Sep 15, 2021.

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RESULT?

Poll closed Sep 18, 2021.
  1. Crew win by 2 or more aka Caleb Porter Master Class

    7.3%
  2. Crew win by 1

    4.9%
  3. Draw

    12.2%
  4. Crew lose by 1

    29.3%
  5. Crew lose by 2 or more aka Coachbot 9000 disaster class

    29.3%
  6. Cheerleaders are stupid and only stupid heads like them - KCBus

    2.4%
  7. Over 9696!!! - Miguel Berry scores and Crew don't lose (Worth 3 points)

    14.6%
  1. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I completely agree that Berry is not a starting caliber striker, but see no reason why that means the Megabua meme needs to cease.
     
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  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The whole "getting a point on the road is a good result" theory is useful in mid-May when so much of the season is still to be played.

    In mid-September, when you've gotten ZERO points from so many games, home and away, you don't get to lean back and relax about it.

    If the Crew is to have any chance, however slim, fading and on life support clinging desperately to lkfe, to make the playoffs, you have to make up somehow for the lost points you've blown.

    This is not a situation where you pop the champagne because you got a road tie. Particularly when you let 2 points drift away due to Monumental stupidity.
     
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  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm no expert, but that doesn't look very much being "ruthless in the attack." Wasn't that Porter's schtick back in 2019?
     
  4. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's most disturbing - aside from the fact that Hurtado, a useless, worthless sack of dog crap is wearing a Crew shirt to begin with - is that he never even LOOKS upfield. He gets the ball with a ton of space around him and several teammates spread out in front of him and he never even glances up to see what might be possible.

    Instead, he receives the ball with his usual donkey-footed touch and looks backwards into his own defensive third for someone to backpass to.

    What's worse is that his defensive third is crawling with attackers. Yes, he has an outlet behind him on the sideline but then what? He's not 10 years old, he's supposedly a professional, and a professional sees the whole field, and the whole field screams "get the ball out of here".

    And on the Parente leg removal foul - God love the boy - Hurtado is in almost the same spot and just wants to get rid of the ball. Parente is in the middle of the field, open for the moment but surrounded by, like, five guys. Hurtado pushes a lazy pass behind Parente, which forces the kid to stop moving upfield and wait for it to meander over to where he is, at which point a defender has caught up with him.

    Terrible pass. Just the worst.

    I would add that Parente showed some stuff there; just inside his own half, with all of the NERDS attacking guys around him, them ending up with the ball could have been disastrous. Parente did the only thing he could think of, knowing full well that the ref was ten feet away.

    He also, and this is impressive, clearly knew that as a seldom used sub he could easily afford to take the yellow he knew bloody well he would get. So he spent it and didn't even glance back at the ref when he got up. That's a soccer player.
     
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  5. DAFCrew

    DAFCrew Member+

    Feb 27, 2007
    Terre Haute, Indiana
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    In our household we immediately thought of that time that Drogba (who received no card, if memory serves) tried to take Steve Clark's (still a difficult name for me to say or type) leg for a souvenir.

    Unfortunately I'm referencing a playoff game in just about the only manner that I can do so at this point in the season.

    As someone above has already mentioned, both fan bases should be absolutely pissed with this result.
     
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  6. YITBOS

    YITBOS Member+

    Jul 2, 2001
    1.3 hours from CCS
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Counterpoint -- why the f#ck does our offense need to run through Afful and Mensah every play?? Buksa jumping that pass made it seem like he was expecting it to happen; almost like he has seen it many, many times before.

    Counter-counter-point F#ck Hurtado
     
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  7. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe we can make the point with a chant: "F*ck Hurtado" clap clap clap-clap-clap

    I know. Not cool. But if someone else started it, well.......

    Anyway, so let's bottom line the truth here:

    The Crew lost because of Caleb Porter. Full stop.

    He didn't need to take out Matan. He's 21 years old, has not played that much and could easily have gone another 20. In fact, he didn't look very happy when he got subbed out.

    And for what? To score a goal? Hahaha haha.

    Or, as Myers says, because he's a better defender? I saw zero evidence of that.

    Now yes, if Matan had been in that spot he would have turned upfield and started dribbling into a crowd.until.he lost the ball. It is known.

    And we.would have been far better off.

    PLUS that burned a sub which the team needed badly 10 minutes later. It could easily have cost the game.

    It's not Hurtados fault that he stinks. It's Porters fault that he was out there instead of Matan.
     
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  8. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Crew fans when Porter doesn’t use his subs: You’re an idiot.

    Crew fans when Porter uses his subs: You’re an idiot.
     
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  9. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, let's see here.
    This post is already objectively wrong, because we didn't lose. But let's keep going, just for fun.

    I'm certainly not going to say that was a good move by Caleb Porter. Hell no. I guess he saw something he wanted to improve, and thought Hurtado was the guy to improve it. I strongly disagree. Your opinion is the same as mine on both Matan and Hurtado on this one.

    But that still doesn't change the fact that neither the substitution, nor the guy substituted on were responsible for the New England goal. That's totally on Jonathan Mensah. I don't give two flying shits if Matan would have turned forward instead of going back. Watching Hurtado go backward might be aggravating as all hell, but it was basically his first touch of the game, and he went for the safe play. I'm not going to bury him for that. Especially since he completed the pass, and so did the guy he passed it to on the next play. It was a completely harmless play until the captain lost his mind.

    If you want to blame Porter for that, there's a legit reason to do so:


    Fine. He's got guys playing a system that's costing us goals unnecessarily, possibly because the guys back there may not be suited for it. He hasn't made that correction. And anyone who's been watching all season knows that number could be higher. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. But blame him for the right reason; not because he's the guy who put on the guy who passed to the guy who passed to the guy who made the mistake.

    Bullshit.

    You can't blame a coach for not having a substitution late in the match because of a substitution he used in the 61st minute. What is he, the psychic f****ng network? In recent memory, people on this board were torching him for leaving subs on the table. Well now, the one time we wind up in the rare situation where we have a late injury and no subs, he's a jackass for doing exactly what you guys were all begging him to do.

    And by the way... if you think he screwed up by not holding onto one substitution window to deal with the event of a late match injury, remember why he used that third window: Because Hairston went down in the 75th with an INJURY and Porter had to get him the hell out of there. He didn't have a choice.
     
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  10. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) You're right of course, it just feels like a loss to me. YMMV

    2) We could of course explore why this has happened so many times this year, but we all know the answer; it's the same reason we got a really dumb substitution choice, more on that in a second

    3) The problem with the substitution not necessarily that the guy he sent in made a very bad decision which paved the way for the Captain to make an even worse one. (I believe that I've summarized your position fairly).

    I do very much disagree that said pass from Hurtado was "harmless" for reasons which I spelled out earlier and which boil down to the fact that you don't pass the ball to teammates under pressure or in vulnerable spots where their options are limited to non-existent. "I passed to an open guy" does not mean you didn't do something stupid.

    "He completed the pass" does in no way immunize him from blame. He's not a U 10.

    The real problem, which you avoided like a leper on the sidewalk, is that there was no reason for the sub, no advantage to be gained, no tired or injured guy who needed to come out, no strategic "offense for defense" (or vice versa) swap.

    Rather, it seemed very much like subbing for the sake of subbing. Maybe he was thinking "fresh legs", in which case he had a couple other better choices than the 21 year old kid .

    Parente for Berry made sense. This one just didn't.
     
  11. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't avoid anything. I said, flat-out, I didn't like the substitution. I just don't think you can blame the substitution for the goal.

    Bigger picture, having Hurtado on the team is useless, and the tendency to want to play negative to keep possession can be frustrating. I agree. But on this specific play, I think you're inventing something that just isn't there.

    IMO, Afful was in no way "under pressure." He was wide ass open. Once the pass was made, New England tried to PUT pressure on him, because that's what you do. But he still had more than enough time to find a teammate, which he did. Once Mensah had the ball, he could have gone back to Room who could have cleared it long, or hit a much firmer pass across the field to Williams, or just plain booted the sumbitch upfield. Instead, he hit a weak diagonal ball to no one. We were more than equipped to handle that situation, and Mensah made an error.
     
  12. YITBOS

    YITBOS Member+

    Jul 2, 2001
    1.3 hours from CCS
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you knew nothing about the game, I would bet $50 you could have guessed how the goal was scored -- you just wouldn't have known which one of our back-line playmakers made the brain fart.

    Seriously what other coach would feel a Room-Afful-Williams-Room sequence would be anything but complete and utter sh!t??
     
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  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #163 Bill Archer, Sep 19, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2021
    It's so hard for all of us because everybody knows what kind of man Mensah is. He loves the city, he loves the team, he loves the fans, he feels a real bond here and plays with his heart on his sleeve.

    So when he straight out f*cks up there's a tendency to want to spread the blame around. He's our guy and we're his.

    But Josh, same deal. You get the feeling that he'd lay a studs up tackle on his dear old granny for this team. Cut him and he'll bleed yellow and black.

    And Vito is the same way; I don't know how involved he is with the city but he has four beautiful little girls he's providing for, he's crazy about all of them and he will cut your liver out and smack you with it if he has to to keep you out of his goal because that's how he takes care of his own.

    How do you not love guys like this?

    But Porters system is asking them to do stupid shit which bites you in the ass. When the defensive third is crawling with a herd of attackers you have to just clear the damn thing. Screw posession. I have great respect for posession. But completing 30 passes and then coughing up a goal is just terrible soccer.
     
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  14. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    We need better CBs and if we can get a better coach after this season that would help also . With all the injuries I’m just not sure the Crew will fire him. Let alone hire someone better.

    the way in which they dropped the crew name smoke screening the logo change just doesn’t sit well with me. Looks like they are not backing down and i doubt i attend another match until something changes.

    Throw in injuries and horrible games it’s tough to watch . I literally watch both CFB & Crew on multiple devices because tbh our team is boring.
     
  15. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Sure he can, tell them to pass it forward or hoof it forward if need be.
     
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  16. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No coach tells their players to pass it forward on every single pass. Even the most direct teams in the world will still pass the ball between center backs which means plays like Mensah's can still happen. Porter should be fired if we don;t make the playoffs, hell FC Dallas just fired their coach and they are tighter with many than we are. However, a multi-world cup vet should be able to hit square pass without it getting intercepted.
     
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  17. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #167 Bill Archer, Sep 20, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2021
    Of course you sometimes pass the ball across the back. Everybody does it. Nobody would say otherwise.

    But you don't do.it when the defensive third is crawling with attackers waiting to pounce, which gives you no margin for error.

    Trying to slip the ball in between a couple of opponents is what forwards do in the opponents box. The consequences of failure are not particularly serious.

    In your own area the consequences of failure are catastrophic, which is why you don't do it. Unless there isn't an oppornent within 20 yards, get the goddam thing out of there.

    Play with fire often enough and you get burned.
     
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  18. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Furthermore on the road with the win you play more direct you don’t take any chances better to clear it concede possession and try to win second balls on NE side of the field Becsuse if you don’t win it you still have numbers to defend.

    thst being said it’s still more on Mensah than it does Porter but there is plenty of blame to go around . Before Josh’s injury our back line had done pretty well but we haven’t had a consistent line up and the results have been bad . Room probably not as confident when he is constantly left hung out to dry
     

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