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  1. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Why other countries Nats did it?
     
  2. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Club Med
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt it was real dumb. It was an honest take, but he will grow wiser and learn not to say what he thinks, but rather what people want to hear.
     
  3. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure if this was posted elsewhere or where to post it, but this article had some decent points about all the drama.

    The USMNT is a mess. That's the price of the U.S. becoming a 'soccer country'

     
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  4. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
  5. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the problem with that piece. The article was excellent and laid out all the reasons why playing for a national team has a lot of issues facing it. BUT the title was pure clickbait. For those who just wanted to read the headline it just gave them more ammo that the USMNT is a disaster. But totally not true and if you actually read even the first couple of paragraphs the author spells out concisely just a bad set of circumstances lead of to the roster we have for GC. Want to point fingers? Then stop pointing so much at the USSF and start pointing at FIFA and UEFA.
     
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  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Ryan O'Hanlon is good but ESPN is a shit show.
     
  7. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I liked the article as well, but it is starting to bother me a little that everybody who makes the case (like the author did at the end of the article) that almost nothing that happens with a national team in the year or two preceding the World Cup actually matters for the tournament itself seems to be relying on the same single counter-example for support: Morocco in 2022. I'm sure if you strain real hard, you can come up with a few more examples, but my own sense is that the World Cup is a small sample size theater where teams that have been a mess for a while can go on a surprise run every now and then while teams that have prepared well can be knocked out with a fluke bad performance or result. The small number of games means that those types of outcomes will happen more often than they would over a full season, but they're still not the most common outcomes and they don't justify writing off everything that happened earlier in the cycle IMO.
     
  8. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't mind real pressure from real media and real coverage leading to a significant spotlight to perform and get results.

    But that isn't what we have here. Has ESPN even mentioned the USNT once this month? Our sports media complex doesn't even acknowledge the Gold Cup.

    Instead we have a few butthurt ex-NTers who for whatever the reason have taken every opportunity to cry about the current generation. And there is plenty to criticize. But it's not even soccer or performance focused. It's not organic. It exists in this little weird soccer bubble.
     
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  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The US' performance pre-WC isn't exactly predictive, either. One only needs to go back to the panic of our last friendly window.

    You are 100% right that it is sample size theater, though, and I am sure you are right that you'd rather be looking good than looking bad; it's just that it is hardly definitive.
     
  10. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Right, not definitive. But I do think it's decently predictive. Although, it depends on what you mean by pre-WC.

    The last window before the 2022 WC certainly gave us all a fright, and if that's all we had to go off, I would agree the WC results would have been largely unexpected. But I still think the two years leading up to that tournament put us in a pretty good position to manage our usual Round of 16 exit, particularly in a group with only 1 team with serious QF expectations. We were ranked as high as 16th and never any lower than 26th by Elo for the entire period between June 2021 and December 2022. But more importantly, the things that got us results in the tournament were things that we had clearly been developing over the cycle. E.g., Pulisic's game-winner vs Iran came off a play we'd been working on for a while; the tactics and formation were relatively consistent over the prior two years as well, and had generally looked effective against the types of teams we played in that tournament; the stinginess in defense, the MMA midfield, the fullback aggression, etc. were all things you could see us developing over a period of time, with encouraging results.

    The one thing we didn't have, similar to this cycle, is a full complement of players available all that often. The January 2022 qualifier against El Salvador is probably the only lineup that cycle that looks remotely like the lineups we fielded during the World Cup. (The same 10 players started in both that El Salvador game and the Netherlands Rof16 game, but more often than not each individual lineup that cycle only featured maybe 5 or 6 of the players who would start in Qatar.) So that's one area where I find myself a bit more hopeful that the current messiness that article refers to won't necessarily doom us.
     
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  12. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You said ESPN, without any qualifiers. Use your words more carefully next time.
     
  14. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    We appear on The Ocho all the time.
     

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