Iran: the collapse

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  1. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    I think you're going to be surprised.

    The exiled Crown Prince at the centre of Iranian riot chaos: How US-based son of Iran's last shah 'turned tide' of protests with rallying cry - as Tehran threatens rioters with execution | Daily Mail Online

    From Jan 9, 2026:

    "Demonstrations that have swelled in size and number since late December over the plummeting of the Iranian rial have included cries in support of Reza Pahlavi, whose fatally-ill father fled Iran just before the country's 1979 Islamic Revolution.

    In his latest call to action, Pahlavi said in a video posted to X: 'I know that despite the internet and communication cuts, you will not abandon the streets. Be assured that victory belongs to you!'

    What turned the tide of the protests was former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi's calls for Iranians to take to the streets at 8 p.m. on Thursday and Friday,' she said.

    Per social media posts, it became clear that Iranians had delivered and were taking the call seriously to protest in order to oust the Islamic Republic.

    This is exactly why the internet was shut down: to prevent the world from seeing the protests. Unfortunately, it also likely provided cover for security forces to kill protesters.

    When the clock struck 8pm on Thursday, neighborhoods across Tehran erupted in chanting, witnesses said.
    The chants included 'Death to the dictator!' and 'Death to the Islamic Republic!' Others praised the shah, shouting: 'This is the last battle! Pahlavi will return!'

    Thousands could be seen on the streets before all communication to Iran cut out."

    The old pre 1979 flag was also being waived by many of the protestors.

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  2. JamesA

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    Nor does Trump.
     
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  3. Umar

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    He is the Ahmad Chalabi of our time.
     
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  4. Quakes05

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    I'm simply responding to a comment by @mebeSajid that he has no support at all in Iran. I don't know that it's popular support or that he would be a good transitional leader (which he stated on the 60 Minutes interview recently was his hope), but he clearly has some support there.
     
  5. Umar

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    If you had a free and fair election in Iran, me and mini-Shah would be neck and neck fighting for last place.
     
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  6. Quakes05

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    AI disagrees with you.

    "As of early 2026, Reza Pahlavi, the exiled son of Iran’s last Shah, is considered one of the most popular, yet polarizing, opposition figures among many Iranians seeking to topple the current regime. Surveys suggest he is a leading, if not top, choice for a transition figure, with approval often tied to nostalgia for his father's era.
    Popularity and Support

    • Approval Levels: A 2024 GAMAAN survey found that Pahlavi had roughly 31% support, making him a front-runner among potential, hypothetical opposition leaders in a free election."
    And also this...

    Pahlavi Has Proven His Popularity but Not Organizational Competence - Middle East Forum

    "There has been much discussion about former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi’s support inside Iran. The only reliable poll on the question is two years old, which put his favorability at 31 percent, making him by far the most popular political figure in Iran, even if only with a plurality. Recent events suggest his approval has grown but this popularity is not as important as his ability to organize."


    Maybe you have a link or some data to support your claim?
     
  7. superdave

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    When Franco fell, it was a member of the Spanish royal family who led the nation to democracy.

    I’m sure my take is laughably naive, but could Pahlavi take power by promising to hold office for, say, only a year, as Iran writes a new constitution to transition itself to a non theocratic democracy?
     
  8. JamesA

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    Luckily for Iran, Trump doesn't give a shit about democracy or elections.
     
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  9. Umar

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    I suggest you read up about who the people behind GAMAAN are. They are not Pew or Gallup, who at least usually try to be objective.

    I have seen many examples of people pushing themselves forward as leaders (or being pushed forward) via slick media operations when they have no real base of support. Chalabi was one. Hamid Karzai was another.

    I will eat my hat, and yours too, if 31% of the Iranian population ever vote for the Shah’s son.
     
  10. JamesA

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    I'm not convinced Trump would even support that. He wants assurance the next leader will bow down to him.
     
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  11. Quakes05

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    He's saying it's a foregone conclusion, he will lead the transition...



    ...but then I've never heard of CBN News. And this is the first I've heard this, so I'm skeptical.

    This was his 60 Minutes interview from last weekend where he discusses his desire to lead the transition...

     
  12. Quakes05

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    So, you're guessing basically but have no idea really how popular he is? Maybe your evidence is anecdotal?
     
  13. Umar

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    CBN is the Christian Broadcasting Network, famed worldwide for its Iran bureau.

    Mini-Shah is spending all his money on marketing and media so I expect many will just fall for it, but he is quite clearly a huge bullshitter.

    Just listen to the first words out of his mouth in that CBN press release. “the Iranian people have called on me to lead the transition after the regime has gone”. Really? When did they do this?

    I would have thought after a decade of Trump people would be able to identify a fantasist as soon as they opened their mouths. Apparently not.
     
  14. Umar

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    It is anecdotal, just as my own opinion that I would probably poll joint last with him is also anecdotal.

    Maybe I could be the next Shah of Iran, there are no reliable polls out there about just how popular I am so I could be in with a shout.
     
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  15. spejic

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    That's the surface level reading of his proposed plan for regime change in Iran, but deeper in it sounds ominous. It depends on a "Leader of the National Uprising" (that is, Pahlavi) leading three bodies, the National Uprising Body, the Transitional Government, and the Transitional Court, in creating a new elected government. But all those bodies are appointed by the Leader of the National Uprising, and that leader can suspend the transition at any time for any length of time. Pahlavi would have total power for at least three years, and we'd have to trust him to give it up.

    His whole history is one of ingratiating himself on Israeli and now American leaders who can emplace him in control, not creating any sort of popular movement. Frankly, the Crown Prince sounds exactly like a Crown Prince.
     
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  16. Quakes05

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    Maybe, we're just speculating about what could come next for Iran. I agree that he seems like a longshot but clearly, he has his supporters both in Iran and around the world.
     
  17. Quakes05

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    Better get rested up, the country was facing massive problems before this war.
     
  18. spejic

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    I was discounting how much Russia's intelligence could help, but maybe I was wrong to do so. Now it looks like at least one American AN/TPY-2 radar, possibly two were hit by missiles and/or drones.

    AN slash TPY-2 THAAD radar Iran s.jpg

    This is the remains of one in Jordan. Another one in UAE shows a black smudge where one used to be in low-resolution satellite images. These radars are the key to the THAAD system, and they are expensive, rare, slow to build, and expensive.The US has (or had) about 20, and they cost up to a billion each. Losing these not only loses the THAAD system, but it weakens the Patriot and other SAM systems in the area (including on ships) because these radars fed their information to all other networked systems.

    Bringing another into the Middle East means taking it away from someplace that presumably needs it, and it will take a while.
     
  19. Capt.Tsubasa

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    Birds are not real.
     
  20. Sufjan Guzan

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    300-500 million dollars down the drain. Only about eight in service by the US military. No Big Deal.

    Locations of the rest:

    • South Korea
    • UAE (reports have this one partially hit)
    • Saudi Arabia (also has been hit)
    • Guam
    • Israel
    • Fort Bliss (Texas)
    • Romania

    I'm guessing maybe one of them is being held for such situations in reserve? No idea how long it takes to transport and put back into action. My understanding is this makes it much harder to coordinate defensive missiles as it kind of acts as the fulcrum in radar detection from incoming projectiles to back up spejic's post.
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Shocked that the Ivermectin crowd are not good at this.
     
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  22. spejic

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    The US International Development Finance Corporation is pledging to insure any ships that go through the Strait of Hormuz for up to $20 billion.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...during-iran-war/ar-AA1XGg2F?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    This is either calling Iran's bluff on closing the Strait or using the ships as stalking horses to force the hidden Iranian anti-ship missiles to reveal themselves. We'll have to see if any ships take up that offer. The thing is, there's like 200 ships waiting, and all those crews have limited supplies and the owners have limited wallets.
     
  23. Sounders78

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    CBN was started by Pat Robertson to offer a Christian-centered news agency. I wouldn't put any implicit trust in it being reliable.
     
  24. babaorum

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    An unknown man coming to power after a revolution, with no program other than the prestige of his name, no ambition other than to set the country right, and finally clinging to power like an oyster to its rock: that Pahlavi guy looks suspiciously like a potential Napoleon III.
     
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  25. waitforit

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    I mean does it matter?

    Are we doing this shit again? RT News is Russian propaganda yet when they have an interview with Putin where he says stuff I listen to it.

    As long as they air the interview straight no bullshit the quality of what is being said is on Pahlavi.

    That said I have no clue the mindset of the people involved I am just annoyed at this.

    My only opinions are regarding the military and tactics side
     
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