Iran: the collapse

Oh, how many Brasilian/Indian/Chinese/Russians have been killed by Israel?

Gsus, the warmongering fever is running high.

 

The French leadership saw that defeat was inevitable, and made the hard decision to surrender, rather than seeing more of their people die. The British and Soviets were never in the same position in WWII.

 

At least 100000

 

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I made no assumptions about your family background. I have a different nation to my grandparents and to some of my siblings, so I’m not sure why you’re keen to insert your family background into this conversation.

I assumed (and still do) that your nation hasn’t fought a serious war (and by that, I mean an existential one like the Taliban fought or the Bosnians fought, not one that you can just surrender or withdraw and face few consequences).

You can easily dissuade me from that assumption by saying which war your nation fought, so that I can try and understand why you didn’t learn the lessons from that war. But until then I have to go by your posting style I’m afraid.

 

Sorry, but they werenot in the battle zone, they were in Indian/Sri Lankan waters when torpedoed.
Identify possible targets? How far do you assume Iranian missiles reach, if you come up with this stupid argument.
From Iran to that point, where the ship was is about 3300 km.
Don't come up with stupid arguments to whitewash a cowardly crime.

 

I'll try to remain polite. I will simply offer one piece of advice: rather than displaying your abysmal ignorance, you should be humble and open a history book.

 

France didn’t surrender because it “cared more.” It surrendered because its military collapsed, its government fractured and its defensive strategy failed catastrophically. States only fight on when they believe they still have the capacity to survive and they surrender only when they believe they no longer have a state to preserve. Iran isn't there yet.

The Soviet were hit much harder than the French and it's not even close - open a history book

 

I know you don't want to go there, so we'll leave it at that. I won't talk about France anymore

 

Pétain saw the defeat as inevitable, and as a result he betrayed his own army and his own people. Others thought otherwise, with some arguments.

 

Your question is wrong, but that makes sense as you aren't really capable of thinking rationally on this issue.

The regime has protestors, sure, and it's awful in some really horrific ways. But it's got its supporters too: a regime like this doesn't last this long without a lot of internal support. In other words, the protestors are a minority of Iran's population, and the regime is most likely supported by a plurality of Iranians.

 

Well, you just confirmed you're trolling this thread now.

 

There's no evidence they were in Indian or Sri Lankin territorial waters when they were sunk.

 

You doubt the Indian government official telling that?
Anyway, the point is they were so far away from the actual warzone, it was impossible for them to be a threat, that couldnot be resolved by a surrender demand.

 

This is belied by why and what Israel is targeting, such as hospitals and police stations. Israel seeks to prevent Iran from being a functioning society. The regime's rhetoric is a post-hoc justification for Israel's actions, not the reason. Israel seeks to quash any potential regional rivals.

This preference is not hidden. Israeli officials and think tanks have long echoed Oded Yinon's ideas of weak neighbours and regional balkanization.

In 2023, 32 Knesset members signed a declaration calling for Iran's partitioning. You can read their logic yourself. pic.twitter.com/LyYLynEDyk

— İyad el-Baghdadi | إياد البغدادي (@iyad_elbaghdadi) March 6, 2026

 

I think one thing is clear. Depending on what media you are exposed to, there are two very different stories being told. If Iran poses no more threat why is the US reaching out to its allies in Europe and Asia asking for more weaponry? Some of you seem to be getting a rather incomplete version of what might be happening. Clearly the fog of war is being kept from us. So I see something like this being reported by Al Jazeera and Bloomberg as cutting through that fog a bit.

And for anyone reading my posts, I think we all need to understand that none of this can be verified. This administration can't be trusted with its jobs report numbers. There is little confidence I have that we would be getting accurate information about a war we might be losing. The articles below could be a sign that everything is fine and we just want to strategically re-deploy weapons to the region because the conflict is hot as a precautionary measure. It also could be a sign that we are close to running out of weapons and are concerned about Iran's capabilities to strike back.

Iran is slightly larger than Alaska and incredibly mountainous. Even with conventional airpower and controlling the skies, it's really hard to wipe out a nation of that size's entire ability to fire ballistic missiles in one week.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...ralia-sent-military-assets-to-the-middle-east

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...talks-on-moving-weapons-as-iran-war-escalates

 

After almost a week of war Quakes05 declares mission accomplished aboard the USS Optimisim. Tell me, after 20 years of war and occupation who rules Afghanistan right now?

 

Tell me you know less than nothing without telling me you know less than nothing.

 

The only thing you're correct about is that the Iranian people are going to suffer a lot more pain and loss before this ends, whatever that ending might look like.