Iran: the collapse

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    Imagine these threads in 1938
     
  2. Quakes05

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    You don't really know what my nation is, do you? And you are wrong. You should ask before you make assumptions.
     
  3. You should read what the Indians said about it and that the Americans knew about it being invited unarmed.
    So no, it wasnot said by the Iranians, because they told about t after the ship was downde, but by the Indians beforehand by way of the invitations made and known by the yanks, because of their accepted invitation.
    It was a cowards and most likely a criminal act.
     
  4. Robert Borden

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    What's the outcome? New Syria with Trump Towers and McDonald's? Why would they ever resist that I wonder
     
  5. Quakes05

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    The harsh reality is, they have no capability to fight back.
     
  6. Robert Borden

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    I didn't even bother looking up international law since the US prides themselves at being "exceptional" - they violate their own rules and you'll still have people rationalizing it. Tell them they have no honor and they'll call you "hater". You can't make this up
     
  7. Robert Borden

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    So your message the the world is "submit or Merica" will come and destroy you (carpet bomb, double tap)? And you'll blame them for resisting?

    Damn....
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  8. Dage

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    How tf should the Indians know? Did they search the vessel themselves? They were just doing some practise with it. With a war as realistic option why should Iran run an unarmed vessel anyways?! Would be a good ambush scenario coming to the back of the invaders fleet. The point is: any military vehicle or enemy forces heading to the zone of fighting is per se a threat.
     
  9. Quakes05

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    I'd much rather see less death and destruction in Iran. Once you lose control of your skies, the fight is effectively over. It's a bloodbath.
     
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  10. waitforit

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    I think the message is Iran should give up at least the Iranian Kurdistan and appeal for peace.

    And it is how amazing how Israel can fight all of BRICS at the same time and win
     
  11. Umar

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    The Afghans defeated both the Soviets and the Americans with AKs and roadside bombs. The Americans didn’t lose because they ran out of bombs, they lost because they could afford to and the Afghans couldn’t.

    Your assumption that the Iranians have no option but surrender shows me that you have no notion of fighting to the end.

    You can easily dissuade me of that by showing how your nation fought to the end against all odds. I am assuming, based on your posting style, that you cannot.
     
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  12. Potowmack

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    No submarine skipper is going to let an enemy vessel know his location. That just doesn't happen because it makes the boat vulnerable to attack.

    I don't really understand what the Iranian captain was thinking. He must have known that heading back towards this conflict would result in the sinking of his ship.
     
  13. Robert Borden

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    Why are you there to begin with? You're causing it
     
  14. Dage

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    Very likely a regime career "trustworthy" likely incompetent guy.
     
  15. yasik19

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  16. Potowmack

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    Those were used for a very specific purpose. Standard US doctrine is to use its top-tier stuff to knock out air defenses and command-and-control infrastructure. After that, it's JDAMs, since they're pretty cheap and the US has a large number of them.
     
  17. Uhm, this exercise was way before the sudden war began, so why would the Iranians, in contrast to the other partners invited come up armed, especially as it wasnot a shooting combat excercise (afaik from news reports).
    The only ones who knew a war was coming were the yanks, by suddenly withdrawing their involvement before the war started.
    Everything points to a coward, criminal act. The yanks could/should have demanded the ship's surrender and fast enough would be clear if it was armed.
     
  18. waitforit

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    Putin? Pro peace Putin is doing that?

    Get the f out of here
     
  19. bigredfutbol

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    Should we maybe talk to Iraq and Turkey first?

    For the record: I'm all for an independent Kurdistan. It should have happened already. Not sure doing it this way is the way to go.
     
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  20. Potowmack

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    I wonder how Trump will react to this?
     
  21. Quakes05

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    You have made erroneous assumptions about me and my family background without bothering to ask. So, you should probably stop assuming things. I can understand why the IRGC would want to fight back, but fvck them, amirite.

    I am on the side of Iranians who are trying desperately to extricate themselves from this brutal Islamic republic.
     
  22. babaorum

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    The Iranian regime doesn't care if its people are being slaughtered. Its only goal is its own survival, and there's no indication that massive bombing alone, without ground troups, will destroy it.
    The US and Israel cannot win this.
     
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  23. Robert Borden

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    You're bombing those very same Iranians...
     
  24. Dage

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    Tensions were raising since months. Apart from that I very doubt that ANY military vessel at any place is complete unarmed. I am very sorry to say that but this is very naive to assume. And even the possibility to identify possible targets is a threat already. You just can't allow a vessel float through a battle zone like a holiday liner.
     
  25. Robert Borden

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    Is that why France surrendered so fast to the Germans in WWII? They "cared more" than the British or Soviets who didn't?
     

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