Iran: the collapse

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  1. Robert Borden

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    He's not the exception - just the loudest one
     
  2. mebeSajid

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    If that's how you'll define it, Prague Spring and Vietnam.
     
  3. Sufjan Guzan

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    I mean. Let me google that for you has been a website for over a decade….
     
  4. JamesA

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    He's still unique.

    The one thing Trump has done, that almost no other politician has achieved is too build a para-social relationship with his core base. That's been foundational to his success to date. Whether that's intentional or accidental, I'm not sure, but that's the reality.

    He's truly unique and has been able to pull off political pivots no other politician can.

    Nobody else currently in politics will be able to control MAGA in the same way.
     
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  5. Robert Borden

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    Bahrain Petroleum Company being hit hard by Iran. It is the refinery that processes virtually all of Bahrain’s domestic petroleum output, sitting on an island of 800 square kilometers that also hosts Naval Support Activity Bahrain, the headquarters of the United States Fifth Fleet. It can be viewed as a message - they can be hit by Iran whenever it wants and despite US presence who failed to intercept the missiles.

    Consistent with the overall goal - drive the US out of the Middle-East
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    Regional war is specifically one that spills out of confinement from a country (e.g civil war like Vietnam), or a war between two countries (like Iran vs iraq). Many of these wars have proxy aspects (e.g Vietnam) but that does not make them regional. Vietnam eventually took on regional aspects (cambodia) but the risk of regional escalation was one reason the US was more restrained than it could have been - e.g against Hanoi for example

    Iran has chosen immediate regional escalation in this case which is on top of Israels multifront escalation in Lebanon, Syria etc

    Russia v Ukraine has also escalated regionally with asymmetric sabotage, and strategic bombing way outside the immediate theatre.

    These regional wars have huge risk of uncontrolled escalation compared to a local war.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Vietnam certainly had regional escalations which were horrific - though the worst of all were avoided
     
  8. Umar

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    There was a lot of talk in the Gaza thread about “hiding behind civilians”.

    Apparently, to avoid the ballistic missile attacks, many of the US soldiers and sailors on the bases in the Gulf kingdoms had been moved off base and into civilian hotels. Those hotels are now being attacked by Iranian drones. See around 3 minutes in here:

     
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  9. Robert Borden

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    And now also stealing their gold - war is expansive after all
     
  10. mebeSajid

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    I am not sure you can talk about Iran escalating when the initial shot in the war was Israel assassinating all of Iran's civilian and military leadership. The only way you escalate from a decapitation strike is to use nukes.
     
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  11. mebeSajid

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    Also, UAE billionaire calling out Trump. Noteworthy because: (1) his hotel tried to get me to attend a timeshare presentation two months ago and was really annoying about it, and (2) there's no way someone like this would tweet something like this without permission.



    If this goes on much longer, expect to see the UAE and Saudi Arabia buying arms from China once the war ends.
     
  12. Robert Borden

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    Worth pointing out the timing of this potential move by Russia. Cutting off Europe now when GCC energy infrastructure are under attack would have a devastating effect on Europe.

    Lavrov statement today
    Russia will do everything to create an atmosphere that will make US and Israel operation against Iran impossible

    [​IMG]
     
  13. yasik19

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    You don't have to sound so happy about it. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Hitting something when you launch hundreds of missiles is not an indicator of success.
     
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  14. mebeSajid

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    Also the case in Ukraine: a great power war would be catastrophic.
     
  15. Sufjan Guzan

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    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...anointed-jesus-bring-armageddon-watchdog-says

    Haven’t seen anyone linking this yet. Reports coming out that US service members have been told by their commanders that they have been telling them that Trump was appointed by Jesus to bring about the conditions for revelations to usher in the return of Jesus. Hundreds of them have registered complaints. It’s been floating around for a few days. Like you all I understand skepticism, but this is the type of report that would absolutely be kept out of the controlled domestic media and would remind you all we are living under authoritarianism.

    FWIW, this tracks with some conversations I had with my brother last year who has free fallen down the alt right pipeline….
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    We are quite close to it already. All it takes is for Russia to wreck a few more undersea cables or blow up a train station or accidentally take down a plane or whatever
     
  17. Sounders78

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    It's been mentioned in the Doom thread.



    I have to say, this is the first time in a very long time I could envision a conflict spiraling out of control into WW3.
     
  18. Robert Borden

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    My post is neutral and objective. Get a grip and stop being so sensitive
     
  19. Robert Borden

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    Part II of Iran-US war lecture - Law of asymetry. I was less convinced about his assessment of the reasons about the war but seeing declarations from the Lindsey Graham who reduces all of this as a religious war (crazy) - This might explain why he's going there near the end.

    Lots of valuable information, context, history and strategies. Highly recommended
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    @Val suggestion to update title of thread to something more real like Iran:The Collapse and American-Israeli Role In Its Collapse
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Unleashing some sectarian violence should help
     
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  22. mebeSajid

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    Kind of surprised Iran didn't have contingency plans to cut cables.
     
  23. waitforit

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    Look at his face, his "sure Jan" face is what makes me believe him



    The video is from June 2025 so the offer most likely was made post Oct 7 so maybe end 2024.
     
  24. Jeremy Goodwin

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    #2099 Jeremy Goodwin, Mar 5, 2026
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    The number of Jews who migrated to Israel (from all origins) after the war was a tiny fraction of the number killed in the holocaust (like 10%). Europe excluding the Soviet Union had over 1.5 million Jews in 1950 (another 2 million in the soviet union) at the peak of the migration

    It is untrue that Europe used Israel to complete the final solution.
     
  25. kribi

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    A year ago, D. Trump humiliated V. Zelensky. Now, the White House is asking Kyiv to provide its expertise in protecting itself from the Iranian Shahed drones that are bombarding the Middle East.
    (i would be ukrainian i would say go fvck yourself jerk)
     
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