Iran: the collapse

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  1. Belgian guy

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    The Iraq war was still fairly popular in 2003. 72% of Americans supported going to war, including a majority (albeit a small majority) of Democrats.

    It was really in the post-invasion years, when the true nature of the quagmire became apparent, that public opinion soured on it.
     
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  2. soccernutter

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    He's great and knows a shit ton of stuff about shipping. IIRC, he also teaches at the Maritime College.
     
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  3. soccernutter

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    That tracks with Trump bragging about destroying Iran's Navy.
     
  4. babaorum

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    I'm not accusing anyone of antisemitism... One can have a balanced viewpoint: to judge that the demand for a Jewish state after the Holocaust was a strong and perfectly legitimate demand from surviving Jews (and not an manipulation by the 'elites'... even if one might consider Ben-Gurion's statement that Europe 'vomited' its Jews onto Palestine to be harsh but fair), and at the same time to see that the creation of the State of Israel was colonial in nature from the outset. Both statements can be true simultaneously.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    But, but...inflation. I hope the price of eggs is going down. :rolleyes:
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    Its funny how many projects Donnie already promised to fund with the stolen oil
     
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    I also think the nature of the creation of Israel also needs to be in the context of the terrible way European powers carved up their colonies/occupied territories into what became independent nations in the 20th Century.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    If only there were a thread for these discussions! This is the thread dealing with the illegal war on Iran started by a proto fascist regime
     
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  10. mebeSajid

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    "our newfound oil in Venezuela"
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    We'll pay for this war from our conquests!
     
  12. yasik19

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    To our conversation yesterday, have a listen.

    TL/DR - Bibi is good at providing talking points and influencing. Trump has his own agenda. Both countries see short-term wins. No country seems to have a long-term plan. Too much is unknown.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/did-israel-force-trump-into-war/id1200361736?i=1000753315377

    Did Israel Force Trump Into War?

    The U.S. decision to strike Iran was a victory for Israel, which had been pushing President Trump for months on the need to hit the country. Now, Israel’s role in spurring the operation has become a point of political tension.

    The New York Times journalists Mark Mazzetti and Ronen Bergman discuss what we know about the extraordinarily close cooperation between Israel and the United States.

    Guest:
    • Mark Mazzetti, an investigative reporter for The New York Times in Washington, D.C., focusing on national security.
    • Ronen Bergman, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine in Tel Aviv.
     
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    If Trump is not stopped, a place like Canada, Mexico, Greenland will obviously be next

    I think the best case, he gets into a disaster in Iran
     
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  14. mebeSajid

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    If that continues, the death toll from war in the 21st century will be in the billions.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    I think this is the first time we've had two regional wars at once since 1945?
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Interestingly I went looking for pod-bro clips and now my 'for you' tab is a stream of anti-semitism and anti-war bros

    So I think we know what side the X-algo is on
     
  17. Q*bert Jones III

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    Best case was his mom having a bloody miscarriage.
     
  18. mebeSajid

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    There was Iran-Iraq War, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, plus Nicaragua all in the 1980s.
     
  19. mebeSajid

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    Hilarious, with news item in the quoted tweet:

     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    None of them was a regional war though?

    At the moment we have a pan-middle eastern war, and the Russian-Ukraine war which escaped containment once Ukraine started bombing targets 1000s of km away and Russia started doing asymmetric sabotage around the region
     
  21. kribi

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    No, no. All it will take is killing approximately 1.5 million Revolutionary Guards, and their families to be sure, then uniting all the different peoples living in Iran, Persian, Azeri, Kurd, Baloch, Arab, Turkmen etc...and then everyone will be applauding the kind Israeli-American liberators with both hands. Amen (i am in Trump 's brain)
     
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  22. soccernutter

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    Cuba is next.
     
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  23. superdave

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    Josh Marshall has a post this morning about this channel, for those of you who want to read a short version.
     
  24. soccernutter

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    Context of the time I think matters.
    Iran-Iraq certainly mimics Russia-Ukraine.
    Additionally, the US were involved in the Nicaraguan civil war, all be it covertly.
    There is also the South African border war as well.

    The big differences between then and now are the development (and access to) short and medium range missiles and drones.
     
  25. JamesA

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    He will die before that stage. He's not a well man, physically or mentally.
     

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