Iran: the collapse

Not the regime change Bibi had in mind.

 

The strait is so strategically critical, I can't understand how securing it was the priority on day 1. Stupidly gors to war with no strategic plan. The idiots running Marrica are breathtaking

 

I would have gone with, I know who Donald Trump is but I don’t know who Eric the Actor is.

Who is Eric the Actor?

 

It's hard because the way the strait is threatened is by anti-ship missiles or speedboats with anti-ship missiles or mines all stored in deep caves right at the straight. We don't know where all the hidey-holes are. The only way to secure it is to conquer a chunk of Iran's land.

Obviously the bet was the Iranian government would fall before this became an issue. I'm certain that hope didn't come from the US military brain trust.

 

Things aren't winning and this thing is getting outta control. They need a easy win and want to scar Iran in a permanent way. It is cowards act. There is a reason why they didnt speak up as Russia bombed Ukrainian apartments.

 

When I first heard him say that I knew we were in serious trouble, given he always projects. Always.

 

The Kharg Island issue shows how superficial the planners of this war are.

“Iran is choking the Strait of Hormuz and pushing up oil prices. We don’t want the oil prices to rise. I know what we’ll do, we’ll take another 10% of the world’s oil off the market, (plus the oil taken offline when Iran retaliates against American linked oil assets in the Gulf), maybe that will help”.

The Iranians (sorry, Iranian military planners) have a strategy and the israeli-American military planners have tactics.

“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat”.

 

Ahhh yes the everpresent 5D chess. Their entire leadership annihilated, AA systems gone, Navy is kaput, Israeli and US jets are joyriding above Tehran all part of the strategy.

Their strategy is also to use their best weapons later. When is later who cares and does it even matter?

 

If ground troops are going to be used in Iran, that's the place they will go.

 

For a person who has been so wrong whenever you speak with me, it’s amazing you still respond the way you do. Do you even remember your last “gotcha” to me earlier in this thread?

The loss of air force and navy are significant tactical blows to the Iranian military. If you think their strategy to win this war was to fight the Americans with their airforce and conventional navy, then I don’t know what to say to you. They will have expected their airforce and conventional naval forces to be destroyed.

Their strategy will be to use unconventional navy (small boats), drones and land forces to close Hormuz, which is not a tactic but part of a coherent military-economic strategy, whilst hitting back with missiles and drones against their military and economic assets in israel and the gulf, which again are not tactical blows but part of their overall strategy. This is not some genius level strategic thinking by the Iranians, it is quite easy to anticipate and it is amazing that the israeli-American strategic planners haven’t even thought about it.

The Iranians also want to fight a de-centralised ground war in Iran rather than allowing the israeli-American forces to stand off and strike them at will with Jdams for the duration of the campaign.

Someone should ask Trump “you’re commander in chief of the most powerful airforce in the history of the world. Thanks to you, Iran now have the smallest airforce in the world. You have the most powerful navy in the history of the world. Thanks to you, Iran likely has the smallest navy in the world. You have said that the tanker captains should just be brave and sail through Hormuz. You have your navy sitting there for two weeks now. Why is your navy unwilling to escort them immediately through the strait, given that you have decimated Iranian military assets in the region. Are your naval officers less brave than the tanker captains?”

 

The Taliban never even had those things in the first place.

 

The Taliban didn't spend god knows how many billion buying building so many assets so USA could blow them up as part of their strategy. And Iran will be waayyy worse off as country after this. More people dying while Iran becomes Iraq2 of the region what can I say I would never want my country to win like that

I was making fun of you for the Iran is keeping their best weapons for last. Any updates on that?

You declaring I am wrong does not mean anything. You can declare anything you want reality is reality.

In a few months you will be protesting for USA to get out of Iran. I guess because of the endless winning Iran is doing to do due to their strategy.

The rest of what you wrote is worthless BTW

 

If the Americans launch a ground war in Iran, it will be Americans who will be protesting for USA to get out of Iran, not me, and that will be not in a few months but after a few years. The Americans will have to withdraw after sacrificing their blood and treasure, and the current Iranian ruling elite will have a say in the future of Iran once they leave.

This is what I wrote about Afghanistan around the time of Obamas surge, when American forces were at their highest number. Iran is bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

 

let me know when the straights are open

 

I meant protest the way you protest Israel now. Metaphorical

Iran will be a husk of what it was before this war. Not that they have a good life now but it will be worse. If that is Iran winning good for you for having a positive attitude.

WOW 8 and 9 year after those wars started Nostradamus has nothing on you. You looked at how Taliban survived all those years and reached that conclusion. You are very shmart

But you are right lets look at Afghanistan and Iraq: damn what great places to live and USA is ruined.... you should move from the shithole called UK. I have no clue why people like you live in western countries, you should move to the countries you love so much: I am sure that HAMAS would greet you with open arms

Ok. Will do.

But I don't want any excuses. Open or close. 0 or 1

 

So victory looks like all of us having to eat another ********ing recession caused by American idiots? So much winning.

 

Why are you asking me?

Ask the ones here who are giddy that Iran is doing that

 

It doesn't take a genius to observe that all asymmetric wars end in pretty much the same way, since (at least) the wars of independence of the 1950s and 60s.

 

Sure.

My point is that apparently the rule is look at what Iran is doing and no matter what declare that was part of the plan. That is vatnik level of stupid. We are surrounded: that was the plan all along

The Israeli plan is for Iran to become irrelevant to the Gulf/Middle East/whatever. Israel does not give a shit Iran survives as a country. Iraq was a country everyone feared now they are flyover for USA Israel Iran and any other countries it wishes.

If you people look at Iraq Afghanistan vs USA and think man I sure want to win like Iraq Afghanistan did well be my guest. The thing is I like Iran I really do they deserve better than the Mullahs, but in the end their life became so much worse

The point of this war is to blunt Iran for decades and if the war ends tomorrow that has happened .... hence Mission Accomplished™.

HAMAS' biggest supporter can twist all the pretzels he wants what he says it is pure cope

 

How the ******** are Israel so cunning and so stupid at the same time IDK

They are not even capable of thinking of the things Umar has thought of. The biggest and powerful Army in the world (also learned something post 2022) plus Israel who know everything about this area know nothing about the subject..... but the losers of BigSoccer know better

Trump may be a moron but all he does is take the political decision. People who know their stuff are the one doing the military planning and the execution. Meanwhile the Mullah guys whose biggest skill is to read the Quran are military experts who make 454354 moves in advance

 

Donnie says he'll end it when he "feels it in his bones" And you think the Mullahs are insane

 

No they are stupid and insane

They are ALL stupid (USA leaders and Iran). The Israelis are not though

The difference is that I don't say Trump is playing 3d hungry hungry hippos here while the HAMAS boy says at least one of the Mullahs is Ender Wiggin