Iran: the collapse

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  1. The matter is that to open by force means it will for sure be completely closed for weeks on end, because nobody is going to navigate through a battle zone.
    So by doing that the USA would not only weaken itself, but also endangering Europe (ammo spent on Iran isnot going to be available if needed against Putin) and it's own safety interests elsewhere on the globe and ruin worldwide the economy.
    It could become a classic Pyrrhus victory.
     
  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah, you have to be a cult member to even be in the Trump 2.0 cabinet. He'd need to stroke out before they'd even consider it.

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  3. This all is futile, the French and the Brits can't add much to what the USA already have in place.
    I'm pretty sure the French and Brits arenot going to risk their aircraft carriers into the Persian Gulf and I'm pretty much sure they're not going to attack Iran.
     
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  4. So for a senile rambling idiot he seems to be pretty much projecting power over his entourage!!
     
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  5. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

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    Oman and Iran have control over the south and north parts of the strait, from their declaration, from the extent of their territorial waters, and from their ability to strike vessels transiting without their permission.

    For decades everyone has played by their rules (innocent transit standard for Omani waters and permission for military vessels on the Iranian part, although the US has protested both because of course it has) and there hasn't been an effective closure until now.

    I don't know whether the US can try to control the strait without really riling up Oman. That would be a significant mistake.
     
  6. argentine soccer fan

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    #3181 argentine soccer fan, Mar 12, 2026
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    And yet it is being proposed by France as we speak, at least if you consider Al-Jaseera a good source.
    My point is, one way or another, this (so called by some) control of the Strait of Hormuz by Iran (which I don't really consider control but is nevertheless a very effective way to destabilize business by creating risk) is a very short term reality that other nations in addition to the US are not going to stand for in the long term.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026...ips-in-strait-of-hormuz-when-war-calms-macron

    France preparing to escort ships in Strait of Hormuz when war calms: Macron
    French president says ‘purely defensive’ mission aims to gradually reopen key Gulf waterway amid spike in oil prices.
     
  7. Potowmack

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    The Trump administration's utter lack of a coherent decision-making process has been an open secret in DC since he came back to office. My wife's heard it numerous times after staffers and Members of Congress have had a couple drinks.
     
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  8. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

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    He's just a nihilist. He doesn't have any ideas for a better system. He just wants to see the current one torn down, but hasn't thought through what the world will look like in the aftermath.
     
  9. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Those of us following the various legal issues have seen this very clearly for months. Thanks for the more concrete information.
     
  10. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    BRICS
     
  11. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

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    USA is destroying multi million dollar ballistic missiles with 100k Hellfire



    That means Iran is losing the war, right?
     
  12. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    I know you dislike being told you are doing conspiracies. But you might want to consider what a number of us are telling you, that you are, indeed, promoting conspiracies from time to time.
     
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  13. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

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    Politicos gossip like fishwives.
     
  14. Kazuma

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    Hamas was parading dead civilians post 10/7.
     
  15. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    It’s not that I mind them being labeled as such. I think it’s intellectually lazy to dismiss them without consideration because they are conspiracies. And that’s how it usually happens. “this can’t be true because it’s a conspiracy.” Does that make sense?

    I think that’s the biggest difference in society right now between older and younger generations. Younger generations seem more likely to entertain conspiracies because the narratives as presented don’t seem to make much sense. So you have to go under the hood a little bit, while older generations seem to not question things as much. E.G. the idea that the middle east hates us for our “freedom” that was promoted during the Bush era was clear propaganda. The people in the Middle East that don’t like us don’t like us because we steal and exploit their resources.
     
  16. Kazuma

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    Bill Clinton mentioned how shocked young people are when they learn that Arafat walked away from the table despite having some of the most favorable terms.

    Young people also weren't around for the many atrocities the pro-Palestine movement committed over the years. 1972 in Munich for instance. Or the many plane hijackings. Or the fact that Palestine has always walked away from the table when it came time to negotiate for their own state going as far back as the 40s.

    EDIT: Will also add that a lot of these people keep thinking the US has always backed Israel from day one when that wasn't the case.
     
  17. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    Did Palestinians ever steal nuclear secrets and material from the United States? Did they ever attack a US Navy Ship and kill US Service members?

    Do 27 states have it written into their laws that you can’t get government contracts if you boycott Palestinians?
     
  18. Robert Borden

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    This is totally "normal" according to some (he knows who he is via personal msg lecturing me on "extremism" )

    Threatening the safety of a national team - not extremist at all. Pointing this out means I'm spewing propaganda and being Anti-American

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  19. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

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    Are the people who consider this type of thing normal in the room with us right now?
     
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  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Losing, no. But it is degrading their ability to launch ballistic missiles. On the other hand, this war is, again, showing the power of inexpensive drones vs a technologically superior opponent. The US and Israel have air supremacy over Iran and are able to bomb them at will. On the other hand, Iran is able to use sea drones to hit ships and Shaheds to hit ground targets.. Neither of which Israel and US have the ability to counter.
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

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    What an ass! The WC should be pulled from the US, as much as I hate to say it.
     
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  22. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Just a reminder, they weren't going to be allowed in before the war even started because Iranian players were being called soldiers. Also no staff or fans are allowed entry.

    So this "announcement" is probably just so that FIFA can make Iran pay a fine for bailing out of the tournament at such a late date.
     
  23. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    But nobody gossips like alewives

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  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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