Iran: the collapse

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  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    New conflicting reports - logically, Iran should still be pissed at India, the biggest losers in all of this.

    “We deny allowing oil tankers flying the Indian flag to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.”

    Source: Reuters
     
  2. Robert Borden

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    That’s a semantic dodge. The point is coercive leverage, not literal monopoly control. Powerful states influence outcomes without absolute control all the time.
     
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  3. Umar

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    You said Iran is the only country you can think of in the region to attack civilian ships. israel would beg to differ, given that its naval achievements against the Palestinians consist of wiping out almost all of their fishing boats.

    So maybe you want to think harder about which countries in the region do what, before making your assertions.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    it’s partly audience capture. But his world view is on the record and he really is this stupid and ignorant. See ivermectin, vaccines and numerous other low wattage ideas.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    i keep coming back to a critique of Biden that he was burdened by history and imagined an America and Israel from when he was a younger man. Younger people don’t carry that historical baggage
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    Like what was the point of my defence of traditional US policy if it led us to this place? It would have been better if Biden kicked the roof down and persuaded Europe to move away from this dangerous ally. They led us to disaster.
     
  7. Dage

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    That's undeniable true and was a war crime. I obviously talked about cargo vessels in the street of Hormuz, though.
     
  8. Dage

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    It's not a semantic dodge. It's the line between truth and propaganda you seem to dilute literally since your first day in the forum.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    If we are clear eyed then Israel and US leadership are dangerous monsters. We have to forget what we knew about democratic ideals.
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    the guy lives on grey zone agitprop.
     
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  11. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Umm.... you do know that shipping isn't moving in the Gulf, right? And that a particular nation caused that to happen?
     
  12. Dage

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    Yes and how is that called control if you are at the same time unable to run a vessel in that sea yourself?
     
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  14. diablodelsol

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    What a silly argument this is. It’s a commercial shipping lane. One side wants, and it is in their strategic interests to have….commercial shipping to have unencumbered access to that lane. Another side doesn’t want that because it’s in their strategic interest for that not to happen. Commercial shipping doesn’t have access. It’s pretty ********ing crystal clear who controls the facts on the ground….err…sea.
     
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  15. Umar

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    Pezeshkian has stated the Iranian conditions for peace. It’s basically adding on reparations to their previous demands.

    I am not sure why he has dipped into this subject now, there is not any avenue for peace at this stage. If he just wanted to reiterate their hard line demands he could have just kept silent.

    It could be he sees this as a way of ensuring that the Gulf states and other states starting to feel an economic pinch are aware that the Iranians will settle on those terms, rather than insisting on a protracted war.

     
  16. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    I've made that point many times. It's all what Trump wants at any given moment. His minions won't even refuse to wear ill-fitting shoes he gives them.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    it’s the teaching of Maud dib! I was going to post it then saw Daily Kos already did it

    The massive strategic breakthrough for Paul Maud-dib and the Fremen was control through destruction.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    they’ve all recorded several piss tapes at this stage
     
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  19. Dage

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    The point is, despite the fact the US military seems to not achieving control, it's not a proof of any but the most basic military capabilities by Iran either. People talk like this is proof to the legacy that Iran is holding it's ground. It is not. This situation will not change until the fightings end. The curious thing to me is how naive this is getting communicated to the American public. It is crystal clear this situation would emerge. The whole administration was on a high since Venezuela.
     
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  20. charlie15

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    #3145 charlie15, Mar 12, 2026
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    Holy smoke.....come on dude, this is not that hard to understand. As @spejic mentioned, "that shipping isn't moving in the Gulf, right? And that a particular nation caused that to happen?"
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    i think Dage is saying we should not over estimate Irans capabilities
     
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  22. Dage

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    #3147 Dage, Mar 12, 2026
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    I do know for sure that accuracy is very important in such situations with both sides trying to win the propaganda game. It doesn't hurt to be a bit pedantic either because the implications can be really strong really fast. And while I agree that it doesn't make much difference in a single image board like bigsoccer, the general agenda by both US and Iran, the stories told and the perception in the public do make a difference in the big picture.
     
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  23. Umar

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    The israeli-American regime forces are now bombing checkpoints in Tehran.

    They seem to think that the citizens of Tehran will start an uprising to help them overthrow the Iranian government, and that breaking down security will help them achieve that. Let’s see how deluded they are.
     
  24. Dage

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    Can't see that after terrible losses of protesters the last months and years. Nobody trusts the US anymore. The war is a real tragedy for the people in Iran. The regime will retaliate brutally.
     
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  25. Jeremy Goodwin

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    Various outlets reporting major wiping attack on Stryker, Iranian hackers taking credit.

    95% of computers and even employee phones impacted, presumably entered through Microsoft management.
     

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