Iran: the collapse

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Iran will not control the Strait. Even they know that for a fact.

    But, they don’t have to. All they need to do is make it unprofitable for merchant ships to use it by raising the risks to an unpalatable level, and so far they are being successful at it. It may or may not be enough to make the war unpopular enough in the US to backfire for Trump, but it’s their best hope.
     
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  2. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    #3102 spejic, Mar 11, 2026
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    I have a totally not autistic fascination with Japanese minesweepers of the Cold War and build models of them. I pick up things, usually from the magazines I have that I can't actually read, but I'm sure anyone with actual experience would think I only have a rough surface level of knowledge of the subject.

    My interest in military subjects in general isn't that uncommon, and you can find lots of very popular YouTube channels and Twitter / BlueSky people that publish news or histories. It's just that you can go to an airshow and find any number of people to talk about details of jets, or go to a wargame and talk tactics, or go to a forum and talk history, but who talks about minesweeping? Not sexy. I think most people are drawn to the mano-a-mano aspect of conflict and I like the whole heist-film man-vs-designer's creation thing. I'm definitely into heist films too.
     
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  3. Franz Puskas

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    Jun 30, 2025
    pardon my interruption of the geopolitical military gabfest -- but who is the default national squad that replaces the IRANIAN squad this summer?? does FIFA follow a clear back-up protocol for a qualifying nation 'pulling out' of a tournament?? If there's a thread on this, I've overlooked it...
     
  4. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I was thinking about that myself, but I don't think it's been decided:

    https://www.si.com/soccer/three-potential-replacements-iran-2026-world-cup

    Should be a discussion for FIFA and Tournaments: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forums/fifa-and-tournaments.262/
     
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  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    A military historian would call this a "fleet in being". Basically, a fleet can be bottled up in port, but you have to change your policy to respect the possibility of them coming out. Iran definitely has mines and boats in underground storage, more or less safe at the moment. If they were to actually go out, they'd probably get blown up. But everyone has to fear that possibility.

    It's like how the US and Israel can blow up hundreds of Iranian government buildings, but they have yet to blow up the abstract concept of "Iranian government". The US and Israel can blow up Iranian ships, but how do they fight the abstract concept of fear of what mines could do?
     
  6. Franz Puskas

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    Jun 30, 2025
    many thanks for the SI link, Knave!
    ...waiting for something "official" from FIFA, regarding Iran XI
     
  7. Knave

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  8. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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  9. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
  10. roby

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    HAIL GR SPEJIC!!!
     
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  11. Sufjan Guzan

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    Feb 13, 2016
    People discussed it. Some accurately identified it as likely government propaganda. Doesn't serve Iran to do that and they don't have the capabilities to send drones. Seems like obvious scare tactics in a build up for a false flag attack.
     
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  12. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
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    But, realistically, Iran can't send drones all over California - they would get a handful out before they got blowed up, wherever they're launching these drones from. And I don't want to dismiss the importance of Truckee, but if you've only got a handful of drones to attack targets, Truckee is pretty far down the list. San Diego, LA, the Bay, Sacramento are all better targets for whatever limited number of drones they could possibly launch.
     
  13. JamesA

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    Trump has been a busy man, gotta keep his golf game up. Who has time for such things as approving FIFAs replacement nation.
     
  14. Sounders78

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    They're supposed to decide Iraq's issue by the end of the week. My feeling is if Iran pulls out they will give that spot to Iraq, especially if Iraq is unable to make the playoff game at the end of the month.
     
  15. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Realistically, the whole thing is ridiculous.
     
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  16. Robert Borden

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    Apr 19, 2017
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    When India picks up the phone to ask permission to Iran to use the Strait...what does that tell you?

    Iran's in control as of now
     
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  17. Dage

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    First of all it shows that Iran is the only country you think of in the region, attacking and sinking civilian ships. It's not a matter of control if you are able to shoot a missile/drone or lay mines. Every save person would do that. Or were the Huthi in control over Israel when they shot missiles?

    It's really irritating what nonsense one can read from both sides. May it be the bombing of a school which of course was the US military or the "control" over street of Hormuz by Iran which is an obvious lie as well. Really desperate people.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    McFaul also notes there is no NSC process in the white house.

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  19. Umar

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    Have you heard of a country called israel?
     
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  20. Robert Borden

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    Your point about legal control is correct: Iran does not legally control the Strait of Hormuz under international law.

    However, control of a chokepoint isn’t just about legal ownership, it’s about who can deny safe passage. In naval strategy, this is called sea denial. A state doesn’t need sovereignty to control a waterway; it only needs the ability to make transit unsafe or prohibitively risky.

    We saw this during the Tanker War in the 1980s. Iran didn’t legally control the Persian Gulf but by mining waters and attacking tankers it made shipping so dangerous that traffic dropped and insurers refused coverage. The US eventually launched an operation to escort tankers. Legally the waterway remained open but in practice whoever could threaten ships determined whether transit occurred. That is the essence of sea denial.

    Powerful states sometimes impose their will through coercive force even without legal authority like the US military’s January 2026 operation in Venezuela that included airstrikes in Caracas killing civilians and the capture of President Nicolas Maduro, actions internationally criticized as violations of the UN Charter. The US has used coercive tactics to achieve favorable terms in the past. Iran’s threats in the Strait of Hormuz show how leverage and the ability to make transit unsafe can override legal status in practice. That's what I meant by "control"
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Spectacular watching this ignoramus learn about geopolitics for the first time. He encapsulates the stupidity of this era of elites so perfectly. A meathead who somehow convinced millions that he produces insightful content.

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  22. Dage

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    That's not what control means. Control means to deny others to intervene or disrupt. The right phrase would be that nobody has currently control over the street of Hormuz. But that is not what gets communicated by some folks. It's really cringe.
     
  23. Dage

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    The guy likely has a big team of professionals around him so I don't buy his innocent/naive effort. It's the way how he became important. Because he does not talk about facts straight or in an academic manner.
     
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  24. Dage

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    It doesn't seem the shipowner is much concerned about the Israelis, is he?
     

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