Iran: the collapse

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  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    You are tossing war crime around way too much. Not everything that impacts civilians is a war crime. In this particular case, the only way this would count as a war crime is if Israel targeted the oil storage facilities specifically because they would emit toxic chemicals.. If Israel had a justifiable reason related to Iran's military, that makes it not a war crime..
     
  2. superdave

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    I wonder…is it like American felony murder laws? (That’s where if someone is killed in the commission of a felony, the killing is considered felony murder, the most serious level. A long time ago, maybe 25 years ago, a nearby prosecutor wanted to make a name for himself so he tried to get a drunk driver on murder one because the car accident injured so one, a felony, and so the death of another person was used to raise the charges.)

    I ask because this whole war is illegal. To me, every action is therefore a war crime.
     
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  3. superdave

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    Your reaction to a mass murder at an elementary school is to make a joke.

    You’re a sociopath.

    Some things aren’t funny and can’t be funny. Like, mass murder at an elementary school.

    Maybe other folks are ok with your constant sociopathic “jokes.” I hope not.

    Go back in time to when you hit “post reply” and tell me what your brain was thinking. Because I’m extremely curious about the world, and so I’m sincerely curious how your brain works.

    Also, you have the same comic chops as Trump. Which is to say, none whatsoever.
     
  4. Deadtigers

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    But somebody spend $10 on a fillet while on Snap so we got to cut that out
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    what does being friendly with trump get you?
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    he already deliberately targeted civilian infra.

    but yea. this one is all on Trump.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    it’s totally wild.

    like that is the real DOGE waste that was supposedly getting cut.
     
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  8. Belgian guy

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    Is it not entirely reasonable to assume that they would?
     
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  9. Umar

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    Not correct.

    I hate making the argument about war crimes because it is clear that the parties openly commit war crimes and know there are no consequences except for the weak who can be dragged off to the ICC. So the legal arguments are entirely irrelevant.

    But proportionality is a key component of the laws of war. So even if you attack a purely military target, if you do so in a way that causes disproportionate damage to civilians, that attack is a war crime.

    Otherwise you could target an infantryman with a nuclear weapon and argue that the million civilians who died were collateral damage and therefore not a crime.
     
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  10. mebeSajid

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  11. superdave

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    Whatever it gets a person, the benefit is temporary and contingent.
     
  12. chaski

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    A new pair of shoes that are the wrong size.:cautious:
     
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  13. superdave

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    Do we need a Hegseth thread? Anyway, the Pentagon has barred photographers from briefings because of some unflattering images of Hegseth from a briefing earlier this month.
     
  14. Belgian guy

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    No
     
  15. cliche_guevara

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    Never go full Hegseth.
     
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  16. spejic

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    The bomb bays in B-1 and B-52 bombers are essentially big empty boxes. Depending on what weapon you want them to carry, you install a different weapon carrying system inside. If you want them to carry cruise missiles, there is a spindle type thing. For regular bombs its racks.

    The US Air Force today changed the systems on their bombers to remove the cruise missile spindle and instead install very large JDAM bombs. They did this not in a hanger, but outside right near the fence where the spotters hang out so clearly they want everyone to see.

    https://bsky.app/profile/militarynewsua.bsky.social/post/3mgsszmo6cc25

    There's about a dozen B-1 and a couple B-52 in England now.
     
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  17. Robert Borden

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    After the attack on Iranian banks, US and Israeli banks and financial centers are now targets of Iran across the GCC
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Does anybody of the press in the USA ask the tanman how it is possible he destroyed the Iranian navy, destroyed their missiles and launchers and yet his navy can't escort tankers, because it's too dangerous?
     
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  19. Robert Borden

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    Possible regime change in progress

    Just not the one Washington was hoping for...Looks like Bahrein is on borrowed time. A Sunni monarchy ruling over a Shia majority who happened to have help the US kill their spiritual leader makes for an explosive situation
     
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  20. diablodelsol

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    This would be a tragic and strategic mistake by the Iranians. It would instantly convert a deeply and increasingly unpopular war into a “ let’s go ******** up Iran rah rah boots on the ground massive volunteer shit show”.

    just an absolute blunder by the Iranians to try this…which is why I think this is bullshit from
    the administration to attempt to increase support for the current version of the shit show.
     
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  22. Robert Borden

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    I don't think it's a matter of IF they can escort the tankers or not. The real question is "at what price". Losing a single ship would be devastating to the US reputation...Iranians are betting that they aren't willing to take that risk. If they had "a coalition of the willing" - they'd send them instead but they are running low on partners nowadays.
     
  23. Jeremy Goodwin

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    Right. She's an Italian first, the club of international fascist heads of state comes way in the back of the line to her when it is anything past a congratulatory phone call.
     
  24. Robert Borden

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    #3074 Robert Borden, Mar 11, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2026
    Those still believe that this course of action to provoke a regime change was for the good of Iranians - read this. This is what I mean by "western intervention makes things worst for the population".

    Why are they chanting "death to America"?

    I know for some of you...this will be a very hard exercise. Ask yourself how you'd react if another nation was destroying the United States as a functioning country, its history and people under the pretext of removing Trump.
    Testimony of someone who wanted a regime change who has now changed her mind.
    upload_2026-3-11_18-34-46.png

    People can be against the regime but still be very patriotic and compartmentalize between "regime" and "nation". Iranians are very proud of their nation even when they don't support the government. Sadly, the likes of Trump and Hegseth who know nothing about these people and history can't tell the difference so they expect gratitude for a regime change attempt even when they are actively destroying the nation those people love.
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    Study Persian history and civilization - they have every reason to be proud. Too many ignorant sees Iran and its people as some backwater third world extremists. It's an ancient and sophisticated civilization. The Achaemenid Persian Empire (550–330 BC) created one of the world’s first large, centralized bureaucratic states. They developed:
    • Provincial governments with built‑in checks on local power
    • Standardized taxation across the empire
    • State archives and formal record‑keeping
    • A professional administrative class
    • A unified legal and administrative framework for dozens of cultures and languages
    This system, built between the 6th - 4th centuries BC, is considered one of the earliest true examples of a modern-style bureaucracy.

    To underestimate them is a mistake...
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    Yup. That was my thinking, particularly coming form the FBI (or Israel) and not some foreign intelligence organization.
     

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