Iran: the collapse

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  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Iran has been preparing to the US ever since they took out Saddam in 2003 - Only a fool would have assumed that a decapitation strike would have worked on them

    How did Iran get so good at targeting? China.
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Plenty of folks isn't the "majority". When the majority rise up for change, it will happen. If the US-backed Shah couldn't stop his removal - neither can the Islamic Revolution once the people gets to a point they want them out.

    Rationalizing the "white men's burden" BS to justify saving them by dousing 9 million Iranians in poisonous clouds over Tehran and bomb a school full of little girl to "save them" is colonial AF - Imperialistic AF and Racist AF and the world is tired of this white supremacist crap

    You're blinded to your own bias and privilege
    [​IMG]
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Anything to manipulate the stock market. Claims that the blockaded of the Strait is broken should be taken with a huge grain of salt
     
  4. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    You should read up on the January 2026 protests in Iran, protestors were brutally slaughtered in huge numbers, and imprisoned, and tortured (in some cases to death). The people in Iran are defenseless against this brutal regime, there is no rising up.

    What happened at the protests in Iran? - Amnesty International
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Will Liddle Mikey say he didn't see this?
     
  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    We'll see if his prediction that the US will put boots on the ground or not. He predicted a draft... This isn't great news

    @waitforit Watch the video since you were asking about China and Russia
     
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  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    How do you think it was under the Shah? Better because your government sanctioned the imprisonment, torture and killing? Just Stop playing the "righteous card" No one buys it anymore - not even westerners. I just shake my head when some still play that tired old card "we're the good guys crap" enough

    And people DID rise up without any foreign help.
     
  8. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    LOL I told you I'm not getting into the pre-1979 history with you. Do you think mini-Ayatollah will be good for Iranians?
     
  9. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

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    For the administration to credibly claim victory, it seems to me they will need to either seize or destroy the enriched uranium.

    I just don't see how that's possible without boots on the ground.

    Unless Trump just fakes it, claim destruction and TACO. That's probably equally likely in my opinion.
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Move the goalposts - typical. You're an imperialist and that's ok. The US will remain one but in its own backyard after it exits the region. The unfortunate part is that they will lash out at Latin America and the Caribbeans instead with that ridiculous "Shield of America" crap. Using locals to kill locals - how original
     
  11. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    It was a simple question.
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    It will be more of the same post war.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    remarkable stuff.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    While the Shah's regime was brutal, it pales in comparison to what the Islamic Republic has done during its time in power. Historians estimate that about 2,000 Iranians were killed during the Islamic Revolution with an additional 3,000-4,000 in the 15ish years prior to the Revolution. Combined, that is less than the 8,000-9,000 Iranians that were executed in the first 5 years of the Islamic Republic, with an additional high 10s of thousands executed since then, including an admitted 3,117 killed in the most recent protests and some estimates saying it is likely somewhere between 9,000 and 30,000.
     
  15. Potowmack

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    Robert Borden is generally okay with any regime, no matter how loathsome, as long as it's causing trouble for and killing Americans and Israelis.
     
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  16. Robert Borden

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    The numbers about repression before and after 1979 are highly disputed and depend on the sources used.

    I mean, really? Comparing execution totals between the Shah’s monarchy and the Islamic Republic doesn’t really address the current war. Internal repression, however severe, doesn’t automatically justify external military action that poisons over 9 million people and bomb little girl with crap "Made in USA"

    Historically, wars tend to strengthen hard-line factions rather than improve human rights for the population - the least of your worries no matter how hard you're trying to convince yourself that you care about. You make it worst every time
     
  17. Knave

    Knave Member+

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    The disclaimer is that he's an Illuminati conspiracy theorist.

    Really.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Which is the problem with ‘alternative views’ and the do your own research crowd.
     
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  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Your government supports most of the world's dictatorship. You're either ignorant to that fact or just and imperialist, at least you own up to it. Wear it like a badge of honor.
     
  20. Potowmack

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    I noticed that you didn't deny my allegations, but instead tried to deflect. Typical.
     
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  21. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    I've answered your allegations plenty of times, you just choose to be stubborn. No, I don't wish ill on Americans. A great way to prevent that is not occupy and bomb places who don't want you around...:whistling:
     
  22. soccernutter

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    The opposition to the Iranian rule - the protestors - don't have a leader. The reason they don't is for a number of reasons, but amount to the way the government is able to prevent opposition people from getting anywhere close to control. They have a Guardian Council (I think that's the name) which approves of everybody running for public office (not sure if it is just central government, or includes positions local such as mayors). This Council is made up of conservative religious leaders, thus meaning they will prevent anybody too liberal from running for office, let alone the people ever getting in the position to hold office. Thus, no opposition leader can possibly emerge.

    And that is not even considering the way the IRGC is integrated though the entire economy.

    As for Pahlavi, I doubt he would have much support as he is associated with his father, who was a brutal leader. Further, do you think they are going to trust somebody who has association with a White American who said he will decide who rules Iran?

    So, yeah, there is protest and opposition, but no leader and nobody for the people to rally behind. And by all account, the son is worse than his father. So we may have made the situation worse.
     
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  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Especially when you consider Iran will definitely build nukes unless the US and Israel get a total victory.
     
  24. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    I think the situation is better, for us. Much worse for Iranians. They have all the issues that they were already having to confront (economy, no water, pollution, etc) and now the military is wiped out, proxy militias have been decimated, and their new leader who they barely know has to live in a hole in the ground. Pahlavi as an interim leader, maybe, but I don't know that he could've survived there long enough to do any good. But Iran won't be able to threaten anyone, they still have a public to serve with vast infrastructure investment required, they won't be able to spend as much on military gear, and, if mini Ayatollah pops up for air, he's likely to get whacked, so the Iranians are the big losers here.
     
  25. mebeSajid

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    Assassinating the Supreme Leader (who was 86 years old, had cancer, and had less than a year to live) will do that, especially when the Khameini's caution seems to have been the reason Iran didn't build a nuke.
     

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