Iran: the collapse

This is for all the naive people on this board who keep rationalizing this attack on Iran as "liberation for Iranians"

you can stop with this crap - Trump's latest

• As long as they treat the US and Israel fairly, we're fine with an undemocratic leader

⛔️Trump to CNN's Dana Bash during a phone conversation that liberating the Iranian people is not a goal of the war. He is willing to support the installation of an undemocratic religious leader, provided they treat the U.S. and Israel "fairly."‼️
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— Dr.Sam Youssef Ph.D.,M.Sc.,DPT. (@drhossamsamy65) March 7, 2026

 

Who on this board is rationalizing this war as liberation for Iranians?

Thinking the death of Khameni is good for everyone is a different thing.

 

I'm not, nor anybody I guess, in the position to have an opinion on the popularity of anyone in Iran.
I'm only expressing my disgust of this person. I don't remember him disapproving and condemning his father's murderous acts.
That would have been a necesary act to have legitimacy.

 

NATO is Schrödinger's military alliance. It is at the same time ridiculously weak and also so incredibly powerful that Moscow had no choice but to attack.

 

You're right, but I'm expressing my own opinion, not claiming to know what others think or what opinion they have.
That's a big difference.
The only opinions of Iranians I know are those of them I see on tv, and these differ, like two to the Netherlands exiled Iranians, both very active in on line providing news to Iranians and supporting resistance.
But that is too small a sample to conclude anything.

 

I'm not sure this is true as it has been presented, but the reason I doubt it has nothing to do with any disbelief that the Trump administration would do such a thing.

 

The concept of a notion of an inadvertent intent.

 

What about providing no aid to the survivors though?

Once a sailor is in the water and hors de combat, article 18 of the Geneva convention II should apply.

 

Hegseth says this is fine though.

 

Wait, what? Estimates of just the civilian losses in the Soviet Union were around 13 millions, though estimates can vary. They were undeniably huge though. Or is your argument rather that they never were in a position where surrender might have spared more civilian casualties?

 

Kuwait is cutting oil production and refining.

 

I think beyond its illegality, it is being waged by the most incompetent, irresponsible and criminal administration possible. There is no possible good long-term outcome here, with the morally compromised clown car in charge.

 

I think most people are aware of this? It has definitely been reported on extensively here, the past week.

 

So you believe the Shah after being reinstalled to power would willingly act like a liquidator of the new status quo to lead the country into true democracy?

 

Curious statement indeed...
The second mistake he made was claiming that Pétain "made the hard decision to surrender, rather than seeing more of their people die". This is Pétain's own narrative, conveniently obscuring the fact that if he rushed to request an armistice from Hitler, it wasn't to spare the lives of soldiers (otherwise he would have announced a straightforward surrender), but because it allowed him to justify what would follow: the overthrow of the Republic and the maintenance of a government in which he would hold absolute power (within the strict limits imposed by the armistice...). So it was not a 'hard' decision at all. Laval was behind all of this, at least as much as Pétain. The armistice was primarily a political decision made by unscrupulous politicians, not based on military necessity: the fleet and the empire were intact, and some even envisioned transferring the government to Algiers to continue the fight with the British. Laval's maneuvers thwarted this plan.

 

You wrote the post below in response to a post about Pahlavi’s popularity in Iran

Then you wrote this

Dude, all you ever do in this forum is tell Americans about America, tell us what Ukraine or Israel is doing wrong.

 

Agree

 

No I do not

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