Pre-match: International Friendly: USA vs Mexico; September 6th

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  1. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We need depth at the 6 spot.
    Call in Servania and whoever else, Egg.
     
  2. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How about, and stop me before I say something crazy, maybe don't start MB, Ream, or Altidore, and don't throw guys like Trapp/Roldan/Zardes/Mihailovic onto the field to compensate?

    Is it so hard to ask? I don't think everyone young is a world-beater. E.g. I don't Aaronson's particularly good, but I'd much rather young guys like him get opportunities instead of old never-was players and the younger guys who clearly aren't up to snuff.
     
  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #153 Excellency, Aug 5, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2019
    Seeing Hollingshead getting starts and doing well at lb for FCD, I'd put him at lb

    Owise seems like a good test for our back up keeper Horvath, who needs a little support with Mignolet transferring to Brugge and Steffen bedding in at Fortuna with a start there on tap.

    Lima is good on defense and Cannon defends well. Mexico took advantage of that situation in Gold Cup. Let's see what Thompson does at rb. Maybe Dest at rb vs. Uruguay for comparison?

    Long needs caps for transfer. Kinda ditto for Miazga. A guy who may be underrated is Tim Parker.
    Robinson is ready for his close-up.

    Pomykal gets his chance but Egg has to confer with Tab and let Pom play his game. He has no support in Dallas. He should ace his outing with USMNT if he can play his game. Delgado could be a good back up.

    Trapp > Bradley.

    Morris replaces Pulisic as the guy who flies off Jozy's lay-offs. He can play the 9 when Jozy is not on the pitch if we want.

    Boyd is ss who gets his chance now and Sargent gets the chance at ss later.

    Muller's report to the USMNT should be seen as an opportunity for him to show what he can do at this level and I think it might spark him to a higher performance level. We'll have lots of subs so plenty of opportunity for guys to stand out in an all-out effort to impress.

    -----boyd/arriola-----jozy/weah----morris/muller

    ----roldan/yueil-----trapp/servania--pom/delgado

    --h/head/ream---long/parker--miazga/robinson--thompson/dest

    -------------------gk: horvath/turner/ochoa


    This September window is one I would use to let Euro's bed in at the beginning of the season and we can call in the Pulisics et al in October.
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It's a molero. Most of the European guys won't get called or will be injured. Same for Mexico.
     
  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    So why complain so fast about younger guys Mihailovic and Roldán?
     
  6. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #157 gunnerfan7, Aug 15, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2019
    Clearly not good enough. They aren't showing well in MLS, and they don't show well for the Nats.

    Nobody's crying over Baird and Acosta not getting time with the NT. Being in your early-mid 20's and playing in MLS doesn't guarantee a look anymore.

    Particularly considering we've got younger, better players from the U20's to look at instead.
     
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  7. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Sure, but you created a thesis and included the counterargument as an example in favor. Just saying.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess they scheduled this match figuring they'd lose the Gold Cup final to them but then get chance at hollow revenge as well as another paycheck.

    If Gregg plays anything close to a first choice lineup he's doing a major disservice. I really doubt Tata does. Didn't even in the Gold Cup final. Still won, while gleaning more.

    Integration priorities:
    - Give Boyd a start to see how he can fare against a better opponent
    - See how Weah fits in Gregg's style
    - Start Pomykal to see if we don't have to sit deep for long v. Mexico
    - Ingratiate Dest
    - See if Hollingshead can provide a better natural LB option, give A. Robinson another chance
    - Find an alternative (Horvath, Gonzalez) to Steffen in case he goes down
    - More good a-wing creators like say a Mueller here
    - Give Morris minutes up top as speed option instead of a-wing
    - See if Roldan's performances off the bench v. Mexico and Jamaica were real
    - Free Miles Robinson
    - Try EPB at destroyer (though not happening)
     
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  9. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Roldan and Mihailovic were never good enough.

    Roldan's a middling MLS player whose saving grace is that he's only 24. He hasn't played well at the international level.

    Mihailovic is an MLS player with maybe 5 good games in his MLS career. Only 20, but looked atrocious against Jamaica after looking bad for an awful Chicago team.

    You could easily argue that FC Dallas has 3-4 midfielders who are more deserving of opportunities. Plus they're younger, and some have shown well at the U20 level., whereas Roldan and Mihailovic have never shown for the YNTs.

    This is the experimental phase where you kick the tires on guys, and if they aren't up to snuff, you send them back and wait for them to show something. We saw Baird, Ebobisse, Mihailovic, and Roldan. None of them really showed that they belonged. Only Baird and Ebobisse got sent packing. One of them, Ebobisse, has been scoring enough to at least get a shot at the U23 level, after which (if he plays well) he'll probably get another shot at the NT.

    And, again, it's worth noting that we're far deeper in midfield than we are at LB, RB, or ST. Robinson played extremely poorly in the Jamaica Friendly, Dest's an 18 year-old getting minutes with Ajax without any NT caps, and Gloster has zero pro minutes, yet none are far from an NT cap because we're so weak at LB.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Get the status of Jens-Lys Cajuste sorted then call him in. Appeal if necessary. Call up Araujo, Ledezma, and Dest.
     
  11. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    My default stance is to call in your best roster for any camp, since there are so few times national teams get a chance to train and play together. We've had 1 game in the Berhalter era where Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, and Brooks (arguably our 4 best players) played together, right? But, of course, you make exceptions if needed for friendlies, if, say, Adams is still getting back to full fitness, or Pulisic wants a break after going straight from the GC to Chelsea preseason.

    With that guiding assumption, I'd work with the GC roster, keeping guys who showed well and looking for alternatives for those who didn't.

    Keep from GC:

    Forwards: Altidore, Arriola, Boyd, Morris
    Midfielders: Pulisic, McKennie
    Defenders: Cannon, Miazga, Zimmerman, Long
    GK: Steffen

    Borderline (i.e., I'd be OK exploring alternatives, but won't complain about calling them in):

    Bradley--exposed vs. Mexico, but had good games prior to that. Not many other options at d-mid, especially if Adams is left in Germany.

    Ream--serviceable at LB, and like with Bradley, not many other options.

    Roldan--did OK as a sub against Jamaica and Mexico, but could imagine others offering more

    Replace: Zardes, Lewis, Mihailovic, Trapp, Lovitz, Gonzalez, Lima, Miller, Johnson. Nothing against the latter 3, but there are potentially better players at their positions who deserve a look.

    New players to add:

    --Sargent for Zardes
    --Weah for Lewis
    --Pomykal for Mihailovic
    --Adams for Trapp
    --Dest for Lovitz
    --Brooks for Gonzalez
    --Yedlin for Lima
    --J. Gonzalez for Miller
    --Horvath for Johnson

    Others to consider for borderline players: Holmes, Lletget, Nagbe, Morales, Cappis, A. Robinson
     
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  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Things to consider in calling up players--

    Who needs a break.
    Who needs the caps to qualify for a work permit.
    Who is in a tough competition for playing time.
    Who has interest from other National Teams.
     
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  13. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Performance is subjective I guess, but it's deceptive to call Roldan a middle MLS player. He had a year where he was 5th in WS rating, leading the league in tackles. And for about a 2-year period he was regarded as arguably the best American in MLS. He's tailed off, but still doing pretty well in ratings and the eye test to most observers. Seattle fans love him. His coach loves him. You may not think he's projectible internationally, and has played poorly there (although in the two toughest competitive games he did well imo), but let's not resort to revisionist history in order to discredit a player as a national team candidate. He may have gotten over the hump with his most recent performances, so I think he's worth a couple more trials. But reasonable people can disagree....with that part at least.
     
  14. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    we are not in a place where rotational players for midtable B1 teams are "borderline" unless there's a terrible style fit or its a position where we are unusually deep.
     
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  15. Salmos

    Salmos Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 26, 2010
    Berkeley, CA
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    BTW Mexico is apparently doing a pre-friendy-camp camp with some dudes that played for the U22 squad at the Panamericanos. Here's the squad. I personally think it's just a "fill in the 5-6 euro gaps with a few of these" kind of camp.

     
  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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  17. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007
    The only consistency we have is Michael Bradley getting his way.
     
  18. manq360

    manq360 Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    I agree with you...but not for the same reasons. Calling in Bradley will continue to be a mistake until he is too old to play anymore. I don't know how many caps he needs to break the record, but it can't come too soon for me. I feel somewhat the same about Jozy. I keep hoping that some of the upcoming strikers will take his place but it may take awhile, especially if Gregg is going to continue using Jozy and not calling in some of the younger guys.
     
  19. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my opinion, Toronto would be in fact very upset if they lost Jozy at this stage. They would be downright grateful if Bradley was called up.
     
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  20. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    New Twitter outrage is that Nagbe has had zero communication with Egg and USSF.

    I get the issues many have with Nagbe. After the novelty of his good possession skills wore off, I have the same.

    However, it seems inarguable his form is pretty good (apparently MoTM against the Mexican team recently), and he also seems to be sitting deeper, where his possession is useful and we don't need to worry about his lack of the final ball.

    If we are focused on a 6 that hits nice passes and plays little defense, who is better than Nagbe? Plus he passes forward...

    Simply the fact he hasn't received any communication from the staff continues a disturbing trend, one that Egg/USSF supporters will surely ignore.
     
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  21. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    General Egg, aka "Mr. Gregg Berhalter", has no need for a few more good men. After all, he has Mikey and a System. What more could such a commanding officer want? Besides, if there was an issue with the judgement of Brigadier General Egg then surely his commanding officer, Major General Egg, aka "Mr. Jay Berhalter", would surely set him straight..... right?
     
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  22. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Parkhurst said publicly some of his teammates considered USMNT calls as tedious. That they had to be away from family for no good reason. It is pretty obvious this was Nagbe and probably Guzan too. Neither have been called. This is one of the few good things 3G has done.

    Nagbe was horrible at the end of the Hex. Refused a call under JK. And complained in his locker room about getting called in 2018. I'd call Chandler before him.
     
  23. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Do you have quotes for that? Or links to the story? I know you're not one generally, but I hear so many excuses about why better players aren't called (morales was benched in the u20s!) I always want to see the proof.

    (edit - he's bad at end of hex...great, so was everyone not named Pulisic... Yet Bradley and altidore are still inked into the lineup.)
     
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